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Post by Heebs on Jun 21, 2017 14:41:04 GMT -6
I wasn't being foolish, soup was right that tied voting day one is good for the mafia. I was the fucking mafia lol. Sucks I'm just too annoying to live no matter what my role is, when my team is only 3 people big were gonna lose everytime. Stop being so annoying? State your analysis in a calm, straight-forward manner. Avoid name calling. There is no problem being active and participating, just do it in a way that appears constructive and not harassing. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jun 21, 2017 14:41:13 GMT -6
I wasn't being foolish, soup was right that tied voting day one is good for the mafia. I was the fucking mafia lol. Sucks I'm just too annoying to live no matter what my role is, when my team is only 3 people big were gonna lose everytime. I mean...you could try just not being hostile for no reason? I love it, so I'm not asking you to stop, but just an idea. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 21, 2017 14:46:24 GMT -6
sorry but I thought if I named people, it would give the mafia a list of people to hit. I did not want them to have any information. Mafia already knows who civs are. You obviously don't tell us when you find out who your BG is. You just name him a civ. The mafia is thinking about the last vote if they can possibly get it to the 2 v 1 scenario, they don't want anyone who is confirmed civilian by the cop left around; so if he confirms the BG just as a normal civ, he is still putting a target on the BG's back. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 21, 2017 14:47:12 GMT -6
I guess this has been covered
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Post by TimPig on Jun 21, 2017 14:47:49 GMT -6
This game wouldn't be nearly as fun without BK being BK.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 21, 2017 14:52:26 GMT -6
RE: doing a random outcome on Day 1
Based on the five games we've had so far, in a random vote on Day 1 we would have a 23.29% chance of eliminating mafia and 12.33% chance of eliminating "power" civs.
Based on voting so far through five games (without reveals of final mafia member/bodyguard - I counted this at the end of Day 4), we have voted for mafia at a rate of 27.78% on day 1 and "power" civs at a 4.11% rate.
This also doesn't account for the disadvantage the town is put in from the information you lose out by not having guys vote the way they would vote without prompting and it limits discussion if everyone buys into it.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 14:52:35 GMT -6
Mafia already knows who civs are. You obviously don't tell us when you find out who your BG is. You just name him a civ. The mafia is thinking about the last vote if they can possibly get it to the 2 v 1 scenario, they don't want anyone who is confirmed civilian by the cop left around; so if he confirms the BG just as a normal civ, he is still putting a target on the BG's back. We had 4 civs confirmed. Anytime they picked one off he was getting intel on another. |
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Post by eric on Jun 21, 2017 14:57:06 GMT -6
RE: doing a random outcome on Day 1 Based on the five games we've had so far, in a random vote on Day 1 we would have a 23.29% chance of eliminating mafia and 12.33% chance of eliminating "power" civs. Based on voting so far through five games (without reveals of final mafia member/bodyguard - I counted this at the end of Day 4), we have voted for mafia at a rate of 27.78% on day 1 and "power" civs at a 4.11% rate. This also doesn't account for the disadvantage the town is put in from the information you lose out by not having guys vote the way they would vote without prompting and it limits discussion if everyone buys into it. great stuff |
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Post by Odin on Jun 21, 2017 15:02:21 GMT -6
bk being annoying didn't get him the final vote, it was me not wanting to deal with a tie because they are stupid
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:20:18 GMT -6
bk being annoying didn't get him the final vote, it was me not wanting to deal with a tie because they are stupid There wasn't a tie |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:21:23 GMT -6
Vote was
Soup 3 - bankz, odin, bk
Bk 2 - soup, jhb
Then you switched to bk
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Post by Odin on Jun 21, 2017 15:24:49 GMT -6
oh
well i had just woken up and thought there was a tie
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:26:48 GMT -6
oh well i had just woken up and thought there was a tie When you originally switched to me there was a tie and you broke. Now why you would do that without reading the thread is beyond my line of thinking. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 21, 2017 15:33:46 GMT -6
I wasn't being foolish, soup was right that tied voting day one is good for the mafia. I was the fucking mafia lol. Sucks I'm just too annoying to live no matter what my role is, when my team is only 3 people big were gonna lose everytime. Stop being so annoying? State your analysis in a calm, straight-forward manner. Avoid name calling. There is no problem being active and participating, just do it in a way that appears constructive and not harassing. I wish I could do this. My life as a whole would be way easier if it was in my current capability. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 21, 2017 15:36:06 GMT -6
This is kind of the place I come to be annoying. I wasn't like that at first, if you remember correctly I was pretty fucking polite in the beginning and was subjected to a lot of pretty hostile behavior that led me to reciprocate it, but perhaps I go overboard.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:40:12 GMT -6
This is kind of the place I come to be annoying. I wasn't like that at first, if you remember correctly I was pretty fucking polite in the beginning and was subjected to a lot of pretty hostile behavior that led me to reciprocate it, but perhaps I go overboard. One GM called this place "toxic". |
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Post by Bankz on Jun 21, 2017 15:41:39 GMT -6
You can be a way on the board. But this is a role playing game. Getting into a heated feud where you convince Soup to move his vote from Me is about as stupid a play as possible.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:43:52 GMT -6
You can be a way on the board. But this is a role playing game. Getting into a heated feud where you convince Soup to move his vote from Me is about as stupid a play as possible. I planned early on to move my vote to him at the last second. Odin forced my hand earlier than anticipated. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 21, 2017 15:46:48 GMT -6
You can be a way on the board. But this is a role playing game. Getting into a heated feud where you convince Soup to move his vote from Me is about as stupid a play as possible. I planned early on to move my vote to him at the last second. Odin forced my hand earlier than anticipated. It was obvious he was gonna move his vote to me at the last second, and as mafia I did my damnedest to try to prevent that. Odin being dumb screwed it all up though. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 15:59:59 GMT -6
I planned early on to move my vote to him at the last second. Odin forced my hand earlier than anticipated. It was obvious he was gonna move his vote to me at the last second, and as mafia I did my damnedest to try to prevent that. Odin being dumb screwed it all up though. You were the most important mafia role. No one fucked up your game buy yourself. |
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Post by TimPig on Jun 21, 2017 18:10:19 GMT -6
This is kind of the place I come to be annoying. I wasn't like that at first, if you remember correctly I was pretty fucking polite in the beginning and was subjected to a lot of pretty hostile behavior that led me to reciprocate it, but perhaps I go overboard. This is turning into an intervention. Please don't ever change, BK. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 21, 2017 21:00:18 GMT -6
The mafia is thinking about the last vote if they can possibly get it to the 2 v 1 scenario, they don't want anyone who is confirmed civilian by the cop left around; so if he confirms the BG just as a normal civ, he is still putting a target on the BG's back. We had 4 civs confirmed. Anytime they picked one off he was getting intel on another. You were confirmed to you, but not cleared by investigation. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 21, 2017 21:01:10 GMT -6
It's unlikely that you would be a driving force in the vote out BK train as a mafia member but not impossible
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 21, 2017 21:05:01 GMT -6
Anyone could see I was civ. It was obvious.
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Post by Odin on Jun 22, 2017 0:23:30 GMT -6
oh well i had just woken up and thought there was a tie When you originally switched to me there was a tie and you broke. Now why you would do that without reading the thread is beyond my line of thinking. Becaus 15 way ties are dumb and i refuse to be part of one. A civ is probably dying regardless, choosing at random doesnt make sense to me. Town legit gains nothing from it. Being able to see an additional day of voting far outweighs any advantage this nonsense could provide. If we allow rng to decide who dies first, if it happens to be the cop or bodyguard they cant be like "wait a minute, you dont want to do that." If there's a 75% chance of a civ death regardless of which route we take i'd rather not go with the one that risks town power roles and doesnt provide additional information to see voting patterns. So, assuming i am not admin killed on day 1 and have the ability to do so, I will always break the tie at the last minute. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 22, 2017 6:01:47 GMT -6
When you originally switched to me there was a tie and you broke. Now why you would do that without reading the thread is beyond my line of thinking. Becaus 15 way ties are dumb and i refuse to be part of one. A civ is probably dying regardless, choosing at random doesnt make sense to me. Town legit gains nothing from it. Being able to see an additional day of voting far outweighs any advantage this nonsense could provide. If we allow rng to decide who dies first, if it happens to be the cop or bodyguard they cant be like "wait a minute, you dont want to do that." If there's a 75% chance of a civ death regardless of which route we take i'd rather not go with the one that risks town power roles and doesnt provide additional information to see voting patterns. So, assuming i am not admin killed on day 1 and have the ability to do so, I will always break the tie at the last minute. Your logic is flawed though. 15 way ties are dumb, but you wouldn't of gained any information from killing me instead of someone random if I had turned out to be a civ. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 22, 2017 6:30:41 GMT -6
He's saying this to preempt the town from doing something dumb and trying to make the tie situation work.
I will also not participate in that foolishness.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 22, 2017 7:48:33 GMT -6
Anyone could see I was civ. It was obvious. One of the only ways the town was going to lose that round was if you had been playing them from the start. When you voted out BK it gave you a ton of likely civ points, but 20's wasn't already outed when BK was voted out; so it's not impossible to think that it was an aggressive tactic from the mafia to give you the kind of juice you needed to slide under the radar to the end. Now, keep in mind, I always kept a sliver of suspicion on eric until proven by cops or his own death that he was a civ. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 22, 2017 7:53:01 GMT -6
As for random vote day 1, it's just something that I wanted to see in practice. Half of the people are using a rng to select their round 1 pick as it is; so it's not like you're getting a ton of info on day 1 anyways. The difference is that people can't run the RNG a second time if they accidentally end up on one of their fellow mafia members if it's a complete tie vote. I don't think a five game sample size is enough to declare that the current method is 100% superior.
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