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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 2, 2017 10:50:49 GMT -6
Question for the group. Would Soup GM'ing again be a good or a bad thing? We can see that Soup is a sore loser. And we all know he'd struggle as a GM without Cheat Code. Would him losing all of the time drive him to depression/rage? Or would he eventually learn how to lose with a little dignity? If you have to question it quit asking me to come back all the fucking time and let it die. |
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 10:54:29 GMT -6
I liked this setup. I think you can improve some roles. I agree The Godfather role should be tweaked. I also think the Citizen role should be tweaked. I told BK that if the Citizen is attacked and uses his defense the attacker should be revealed to the Citizen so his role could actually provide intell
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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 2, 2017 10:57:07 GMT -6
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Aug 2, 2017 10:58:20 GMT -6
I don't think soup is being salty, a few things went wrong this game and all those things skewed against the mafia.
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Post by SPL on Aug 2, 2017 11:05:20 GMT -6
Yeah I was literally on board to murder Bankz because I thought he was Godfather at the end of the next day How? He was Gbg's investigation night one. Was told he was civ or Godfather. Him offing himself as The Godfather would be the worst move since bk posting his Benedict Arnold pm. Y'all were able to use a dumb game rule to escort bankz and 100% verify him as civilian. yeah, but that fucker gave me aids. |
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Post by SPL on Aug 2, 2017 11:12:46 GMT -6
My biggest issue in the game is something I think BK can agree with, it just did not flow well and I think it is because of all the new wrinkles within the game. He also did not do the best job of coming out with information because he basically outed odin as mafia and confirmed me as a civ at one point with what he posted.
Other issues that I had within the game is on the arsonist role, not sure why the town had no idea on who was doused. I think that is information the town should have. We get the information if we were hit, saved by doctor, saved by bulletproof vest, mafia gets to know if they were escorted, not sure why that information is kept secret. If we would have known that only GBG was doused, I would have pushed harder to move on Canes and remove the mafia member and try and figure out the arsonist role the next day. All in all the numbers would have most likely worked out the same and would have netted the same result.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Aug 2, 2017 11:15:59 GMT -6
I do think the # of vet alerts should be reduced to 2 unless we get a bigger group. The games typically go 4-5 days Yeah he was basically given immunity the whole game. Also no way it should be set up that the escort is only told when their move is blocked when it's The Godfather. That's beyond retarded. Checks and balances. Although, yeah, there wasn't much to check the vet except the fact that he can also kill friendlies. As long as he comes forward early, he has a pretty safe role there. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 2, 2017 11:16:02 GMT -6
I like the arsonist being more of a mystery role. The unknown of who is going to go up in flames is one of the few advantages you have in playing that role
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Aug 2, 2017 11:16:28 GMT -6
My biggest issue in the game is something I think BK can agree with, it just did not flow well and I think it is because of all the new wrinkles within the game. He also did not do the best job of coming out with information because he basically outed odin as mafia and confirmed me as a civ at one point with what he posted. Other issues that I had within the game is on the arsonist role, not sure why the town had no idea on who was doused. I think that is information the town should have. We get the information if we were hit, saved by doctor, saved by bulletproof vest, mafia gets to know if they were escorted, not sure why that information is kept secret. If we would have known that only GBG was doused, I would have pushed harder to move on Canes and remove the mafia member and try and figure out the arsonist role the next day. All in all the numbers would have most likely worked out the same and would have netted the same result. Arsonist is a pretty underpowered role, and winning as arsonist when the town knows day 2 there is one is basically impossible. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 2, 2017 11:18:53 GMT -6
Agreed on arsonist
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Post by SPL on Aug 2, 2017 11:21:31 GMT -6
My biggest issue in the game is something I think BK can agree with, it just did not flow well and I think it is because of all the new wrinkles within the game. He also did not do the best job of coming out with information because he basically outed odin as mafia and confirmed me as a civ at one point with what he posted. Other issues that I had within the game is on the arsonist role, not sure why the town had no idea on who was doused. I think that is information the town should have. We get the information if we were hit, saved by doctor, saved by bulletproof vest, mafia gets to know if they were escorted, not sure why that information is kept secret. If we would have known that only GBG was doused, I would have pushed harder to move on Canes and remove the mafia member and try and figure out the arsonist role the next day. All in all the numbers would have most likely worked out the same and would have netted the same result. Arsonist is a pretty underpowered role, and winning as arsonist when the town knows day 2 there is one is basically impossible. not sure I agree with you there, he is invulnerable at night and cannot be hit by mafia. Can only get voted out by town, same goes with the other 2 roles that kill people, if we saw multiple kills in a night we would know what we were dealing with with those characters. On day 2 we knew we had an arsonist and misidentified who it was later on. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 2, 2017 11:22:32 GMT -6
The roles have to work for everyone spl, not just for the town to win.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 2, 2017 11:23:04 GMT -6
The arsonist just got outed and lost pretty easily while only killing one person and you want to further limit their abilities.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 2, 2017 11:25:30 GMT -6
the goal of the role to be the last person standing is so difficult
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 2, 2017 11:27:06 GMT -6
also separating it so you can't douse and ignite on the same night means to do serious damage you have to douse the right people who don't get lynched or mafia killed and avoid suspicion on yourself through 4 or 5 days
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Post by gbgalla24 on Aug 2, 2017 11:27:58 GMT -6
Lots of people posted after the deadline that day. You can't kill yourself. As far as I was concerned that could've just been faking jester. The way to kill yourself is to tell me you commit suicide at night and I kill you. You can reveal your role at any time. Texting about it is not okay. But you cunts refuse to stop doing it even for these games, so whaddya gonna do. . Lots meaning 3. And several by one person. Him killing himself and revealing himself as civ gave the town an advantage when you alllowed him to stay in the game. Any excuse you have for that shit is just lip service. I think the extenuating situation of BK not having internet on night one is reason enough to forgive Bankz when he was throwing his tantrum. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Aug 2, 2017 11:30:07 GMT -6
Yeah I was literally on board to murder Bankz because I thought he was Godfather at the end of the next day How? He was Gbg's investigation night one. Was told he was civ or Godfather. Him offing himself as The Godfather would be the worst move since bk posting his Benedict Arnold pm. Y'all were able to use a dumb game rule to escort bankz and 100% verify him as civilian. We wouldn't have used the escort to verify Bankz if we were 100% sure that he was not the godfather. That would be a serious waste of a powerful role. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 2, 2017 11:34:01 GMT -6
Arsonist would be very hard to win.
They cannot win if they die. The town and mafia members can still win with an individual death. In order to win, the arsonist has to be the last player alive. That seems incredibly difficult.
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 11:40:47 GMT -6
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Post by gbgalla24 on Aug 2, 2017 11:41:22 GMT -6
Agree on the arsonist. If we had known that at worst the arsonist was going to kill one person then we wouldn't have killed Delap while trying to out the arsonist, who we thought was the biggest danger in preventing a town victory at that point.
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Post by TimPig on Aug 2, 2017 11:43:57 GMT -6
Let's play again. Same setup with slightly tweaked roles and all of the updates that BK acknowledged he needed to include in the next OP.
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 11:44:59 GMT -6
Arsonist would be very hard to win. They cannot win if they die. The town and mafia members can still win with an individual death. In order to win, the arsonist has to be the last player alive. That seems incredibly difficult. Pete could've had a shot but he came out clean... I do agree that the role is very difficult to win. I wouldn't strip any of its current powers. |
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 11:47:35 GMT -6
I wasn't aware of BKs situation with not having a data plan. I was legit frustrated because I felt he was dragging his feet mid game. Once it was explained that he had no data I quickly apologized. And moved forward with the game.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 2, 2017 11:49:56 GMT -6
Arsonist would be very hard to win. They cannot win if they die. The town and mafia members can still win with an individual death. In order to win, the arsonist has to be the last player alive. That seems incredibly difficult. Pete could've had a shot but he came out clean... I do agree that the role is very difficult to win. I wouldn't strip any of its current powers. I came out clean because I knew I was sunk once you executed Delap. my chance was over |
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 12:02:02 GMT -6
Pete could've had a shot but he came out clean... I do agree that the role is very difficult to win. I wouldn't strip any of its current powers. I came out clean because I knew I was sunk once you executed Delap. my chance was over True. I was also thinking at the time you didn't have the delay in burning victims. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Aug 2, 2017 12:13:34 GMT -6
I am down to play with these rules again but there definitely needs to be more explanation of how it works before the game starts. BK explaining the game as we go slants heavily in favor of the town. also needs to be some tweaks to balance out mafia. ex. godfather can kill at any time/mafia can use role and kill in same night.
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Post by Heebs on Aug 2, 2017 12:18:15 GMT -6
I feel like BK is getting unfairly shat upon for giving us a much improved version of mafia.
I don't expect BK to write a multi-page rule book for us on each class. I don't mind learning as we go.
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Post by Bankz on Aug 2, 2017 12:23:04 GMT -6
I feel like BK is getting unfairly shat upon for giving us a much improved version of mafia. I don't expect BK to write a multi-page rule book for us on each class. I don't mind learning as we go. Only canes could have us in the same page. I like this game a ton. Couple of tweaks and it should be fantastic |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 2, 2017 12:24:08 GMT -6
I feel like BK is getting unfairly shat upon for giving us a much improved version of mafia. I don't expect BK to write a multi-page rule book for us on each class. I don't mind learning as we go. I agree he is getting unfairly shit on, but what makes this a much improved version? It's different, a much more straight forward game strategically once the roles are understood. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 2, 2017 12:25:40 GMT -6
I like both versions of the game. Stripped down is great and requires a lot more educated guessing/hunches. These new roles were a lot of fun as well
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