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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 12:08:45 GMT -6
Really though, I think this is kinda of ridiculous that this is being vetoed. It is not the job of the members of the league or the commissioner to ensure that every trade is "fair" to their standards. Outside of collusion, protecting the balance of the league, taking advantage of a new GM or not allowing a bored GM to ruin the league trade's should not be vetoed. This is exactly why the trade should be vetoed, because you're factually incorrect about how good a prospect Budda has demonstrated himself to be so far. With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds, which on top of having more firsts that are also further away gives him much better odds of finding an actual prospect. This is at the cost of one year of (maybe) having a decent point guard if he can't find a way to move him too, and if Budda actually is a decent PG like you claim then there's no cost at all. Yeah I firmly disagree that your analytics should be the determining factor in a player's quality. Lonzo wasn't even on the rookie ladder until (I think?) Day 120. "With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds" is incorrect. You have multiple GMs this year offering bucks to trade for firsts and not a single GM to this point has acquired one. Not to mention I am pretty religious about acquiring dump bucks without giving up assets, so I shouldn't be forced to consider their value equal to that of a prospect when negotiating a deal. Budda has B+ scoring grades and "A" potential. Not much more should need to be said, but I will say that I tried to negotiate for a trade up last season (again, offering dump bucks, again declined) so that I could draft him. I had the Sonics trade and the Hornets trade worked out well in advance. I had to have a Lonzo deal in place before going out and acquiring my picks because nothing could have possibly been worse than dealing Mason, Jones, Mikki, and Bartlett to get my picks and start a tank and then not being able to get rid of Lonzo, who alone would have taken me out of the lottery. Heebs was the first to inquire about Lonzo, trying to acquire him AND Jones to get my picks back from the Sonics, which I declined because I didn't want to give up two of my top three most tradable assets in one deal. Heebs argued that he was 32 and on a terrible contract, to which I countered that my picks are worth nothing if I have Lonzo, so he countered and substituted Bartlett for Lonzo in that deal. Pretty big win for me considering Heebs had already said Bartlett was never going to be a star in the Ask a Commish thread, and I assumed every GM would see that as well when I was trying to trade him (not to mention every effort to trade Bartlett, including those made to you, Eric, were declined). Odin tried to trade for Mason and Ed Jones, and when I told him I was dealing Mason and Jones elsewhere he said "I am no longer interested in any of your players." Negotiation over. This whole thing about him getting to come back and make another offer after the fact is absurd. Other than these and the expanded deal from Majic, I received no offers. Finally, let's keep in mind that the Nuggets are in my division. Trading my Hall of Fame point guard to a division rival should be taken into account here. |
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Post by Majic on Jan 28, 2018 12:13:29 GMT -6
here is my main problem with this trade and others like it
GMs are trading away a known top tier level player just for the ability to tank.
There’s no real reason to sell low on a player of Lonzo’s ability just because you want to lose more.
There have been plenty of teams recently that have had a good player and been able to tAnk.
Hell I had Williams-Svi-Williams and I still ended up in the lottery.
As I have said before. Adding an objective time frame on when you HAVE to trade a stud player is dumb. Let the market settle and eventually a needy team could come along with a better offer.
We are in the midst of a Draft. Haven’t had Free Agency. So many factors are unknown. as an example: Druce could lose Dean and be needy for a player and make a far better offer.
Having a few extra wins isn’t as big of a deal as some want to make it seem.
SPL got Rory at 7, the reigning rookie of the year was picked at 25
Obviously you increase your odds of getting a better player the higher you pick, but you can successfully rebuild without getting #1 odds
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 12:22:24 GMT -6
here is my main problem with this trade and others like it GMs are trading away a known top tier level player just for the ability to tank. There’s no real reason to sell low on a player of Lonzo’s ability just because you want to lose more. There have been plenty of teams recently that have had a good player and been able to tAnk. Hell I had Williams-Svi-Williams and I still ended up in the lottery. As I have said before. Adding an objective time frame on when you HAVE to trade a stud player is dumb. Let the market settle and eventually a needy team could come along with a better offer. We are in the midst of a Draft. Haven’t had Free Agency. So many factors are unknown. as an example: Druce could lose Dean and be needy for a player and make a far better offer. Having a few extra wins isn’t as big of a deal as some want to make it seem. SPL got Rory at 7, the reigning rookie of the year was picked at 25 Obviously you increase your odds of getting a better player the higher you pick, but you can successfully rebuild without getting #1 odds All fair, but Lonzo's value will continue to decrease the longer I wait considering his age and contract. I have a major interest in trading him now after he had a down year (by his standards) that I honestly don't know if he'll bounce back from. If he continues to regress, he's likely better than Daniels or Budda for at least a year or two, but I clearly didn't have the core in place otherwise to win. Him staying on my roster into the regular season will also get me more wins and hurt my draft position. He needs to go to a team that can win now. I actively reached out to Druce and he straight up told me he can't beat Fecta's offer. Apparently we're the only three who believe it's a decent offer. I also reached out to Canes and he expressed that he wasn't really interested. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 12:26:06 GMT -6
Also, let's keep in mind that SPL is willing to trade arguably the best small forward in the league for a prospect and he's in win-now mode.
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Post by Face-in on Jan 28, 2018 12:30:36 GMT -6
Majic’s post has changed my opinion. I think Tim should be allowed to do whatever he wants with his team. League integrity be damned.
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Post by Majic on Jan 28, 2018 12:31:22 GMT -6
Also, let's keep in mind that SPL is willing to trade arguably the best small forward in the league for a prospect and he's in win-now mode.  |
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 12:36:37 GMT -6
This is exactly why the trade should be vetoed, because you're factually incorrect about how good a prospect Budda has demonstrated himself to be so far. With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds, which on top of having more firsts that are also further away gives him much better odds of finding an actual prospect. This is at the cost of one year of (maybe) having a decent point guard if he can't find a way to move him too, and if Budda actually is a decent PG like you claim then there's no cost at all. The thing is that Tim might like Budda more than ( 6 ) late firsts. Tim can easily acquire dump bucks so they don’t have the same value to him as others. Also, your opinion on budda is just that, an opinion. Tim might see his grades and potential and thinks he can be good. Value is not an objective measure. also in terms of balance of the league, this makes my team a little better but still probably a fringe top 5 team and Tim’s team will suck whether he gives me Lonzo or gives Odin’s Offer. If value is not an objective measure you can claim Lonzo is a below average player. That is obviously absurd. Therefore value is an objective measure. You can keep saying you're of the opinion of this or that, it doesn't change the facts. This is exactly why the trade should be vetoed, because you're factually incorrect about how good a prospect Budda has demonstrated himself to be so far. With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds, which on top of having more firsts that are also further away gives him much better odds of finding an actual prospect. This is at the cost of one year of (maybe) having a decent point guard if he can't find a way to move him too, and if Budda actually is a decent PG like you claim then there's no cost at all. Yeah I firmly disagree that your analytics should be the determining factor in a player's quality. Lonzo wasn't even on the rookie ladder until (I think?) Day 120. "With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds" is incorrect. You have multiple GMs this year offering bucks to trade for firsts and not a single GM to this point has acquired one. Not to mention I am pretty religious about acquiring dump bucks without giving up assets, so I shouldn't be forced to consider their value equal to that of a prospect when negotiating a deal. Budda has B+ scoring grades and "A" potential. Not much more should need to be said, but I will say that I tried to negotiate for a trade up last season (again, offering dump bucks, again declined) so that I could draft him. I had the Sonics trade and the Hornets trade worked out well in advance. I had to have a Lonzo deal in place before going out and acquiring my picks because nothing could have possibly been worse than dealing Mason, Jones, Mikki, and Bartlett to get my picks and start a tank and then not being able to get rid of Lonzo, who alone would have taken me out of the lottery. Heebs was the first to inquire about Lonzo, trying to acquire him AND Jones to get my picks back from the Sonics, which I declined because I didn't want to give up two of my top three most tradable assets in one deal. Heebs argued that he was 32 and on a terrible contract, to which I countered that my picks are worth nothing if I have Lonzo, so he countered and substituted Bartlett for Lonzo in that deal. Pretty big win for me considering Heebs had already said Bartlett was never going to be a star in the Ask a Commish thread, and I assumed every GM would see that as well when I was trying to trade him (not to mention every effort to trade Bartlett, including those made to you, Eric, were declined). Odin tried to trade for Mason and Ed Jones, and when I told him I was dealing Mason and Jones elsewhere he said "I am no longer interested in any of your players." Negotiation over. This whole thing about him getting to come back and make another offer after the fact is absurd. Other than these and the expanded deal from Majic, I received no offers. Finally, let's keep in mind that the Nuggets are in my division. Trading my Hall of Fame point guard to a division rival should be taken into account here. Sure, I'll pretend you believe any of this. Let's start with the rookie ladder. pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 xp/t mp
0.985 0.21 2.84 5.97 20.09 1.000 2752
0.981 0.12 2.73 4.18 13.35 0.989 2542
0.979 0.31 3.69 6.12 16.60 1.003 2637 All these point guards were bad. One of them became great. The other two remained bad. You're pretending to have tunnel vision on Lonzo because it makes sense for your argument, you're obviously aware that plenty of point guards who start bad stay bad. Let's talk about grades. Antonio Blakeney had B+ A- grades with B potential when he became a free agent, and he went to the Celtics on a min. Why? Because he had a track record on the court of being a poor scorer. Grades don't mean nothing, but they don't mean more than on court production either. You received a better offer from Odin. How we got to the point where that offer was made is irrelevant. The other trades for different players you offered or completed are irrelevant. You have a better offer. If you really wanted to move Lonzo off your team, you would take it. If you really wanted to lose more games, you would jump at the chance to trade him to a team in your division as opposed to a team you only play twice. But we both know that's not what's really going on here. You want to tank and you want to hook up Fecta. If you had just cut the BS you could have done that, but now that it's obvious you probably won't be allowed to even if Fecta sweetens the deal to match Odin's offer. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 13:00:54 GMT -6
The thing is that Tim might like Budda more than ( 6 ) late firsts. Tim can easily acquire dump bucks so they don’t have the same value to him as others. Also, your opinion on budda is just that, an opinion. Tim might see his grades and potential and thinks he can be good. Value is not an objective measure. also in terms of balance of the league, this makes my team a little better but still probably a fringe top 5 team and Tim’s team will suck whether he gives me Lonzo or gives Odin’s Offer. If value is not an objective measure you can claim Lonzo is a below average player. That is obviously absurd. Therefore value is an objective measure. You can keep saying you're of the opinion of this or that, it doesn't change the facts. Yeah I firmly disagree that your analytics should be the determining factor in a player's quality. Lonzo wasn't even on the rookie ladder until (I think?) Day 120. "With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds" is incorrect. You have multiple GMs this year offering bucks to trade for firsts and not a single GM to this point has acquired one. Not to mention I am pretty religious about acquiring dump bucks without giving up assets, so I shouldn't be forced to consider their value equal to that of a prospect when negotiating a deal. Budda has B+ scoring grades and "A" potential. Not much more should need to be said, but I will say that I tried to negotiate for a trade up last season (again, offering dump bucks, again declined) so that I could draft him. I had the Sonics trade and the Hornets trade worked out well in advance. I had to have a Lonzo deal in place before going out and acquiring my picks because nothing could have possibly been worse than dealing Mason, Jones, Mikki, and Bartlett to get my picks and start a tank and then not being able to get rid of Lonzo, who alone would have taken me out of the lottery. Heebs was the first to inquire about Lonzo, trying to acquire him AND Jones to get my picks back from the Sonics, which I declined because I didn't want to give up two of my top three most tradable assets in one deal. Heebs argued that he was 32 and on a terrible contract, to which I countered that my picks are worth nothing if I have Lonzo, so he countered and substituted Bartlett for Lonzo in that deal. Pretty big win for me considering Heebs had already said Bartlett was never going to be a star in the Ask a Commish thread, and I assumed every GM would see that as well when I was trying to trade him (not to mention every effort to trade Bartlett, including those made to you, Eric, were declined). Odin tried to trade for Mason and Ed Jones, and when I told him I was dealing Mason and Jones elsewhere he said "I am no longer interested in any of your players." Negotiation over. This whole thing about him getting to come back and make another offer after the fact is absurd. Other than these and the expanded deal from Majic, I received no offers. Finally, let's keep in mind that the Nuggets are in my division. Trading my Hall of Fame point guard to a division rival should be taken into account here. Sure, I'll pretend you believe any of this. Let's start with the rookie ladder. pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 xp/t mp
0.985 0.21 2.84 5.97 20.09 1.000 2752
0.981 0.12 2.73 4.18 13.35 0.989 2542
0.979 0.31 3.69 6.12 16.60 1.003 2637 All these point guards were bad. One of them became great. The other two remained bad. You're pretending to have tunnel vision on Lonzo because it makes sense for your argument, you're obviously aware that plenty of point guards who start bad stay bad. Let's talk about grades. Antonio Blakeney had B+ A- grades with B potential when he became a free agent, and he went to the Celtics on a min. Why? Because he had a track record on the court of being a poor scorer. Grades don't mean nothing, but they don't mean more than on court production either. You received a better offer from Odin. How we got to the point where that offer was made is irrelevant. The other trades for different players you offered or completed are irrelevant. You have a better offer. If you really wanted to move Lonzo off your team, you would take it. If you really wanted to lose more games, you would jump at the chance to trade him to a team in your division as opposed to a team you only play twice. But we both know that's not what's really going on here. You want to tank and you want to hook up Fecta. If you had just cut the BS you could have done that, but now that it's obvious you probably won't be allowed to even if Fecta sweetens the deal to match Odin's offer. Please offer the names of the three point guards you keep referring to. I can guess one of them is Lonzo but I'm not going to suss out the rest. Once again, I'll disagree that Odin's offer is better. I attempted to negotiate with Odin to get Adoree Jackson. I would have much more strongly considered Adoree and two picks over his current offer because I'm interested in prospects who have shown promise over late draft picks. Of course, if he does bite on something like that, it then becomes two picks and a prospect, which is exactly what Fecta was offering. Then it's up to me to determine whether I like Adoree or Budda better, which I never looked closely into because Odin didn't reply. If Odin was willing to make it three firsts and Adoree then it wouldn't even be a question. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 13:08:50 GMT -6
The idea that I am interested in helping Fecta out is completely ridiculous. In the nine-ish months I've been a part of TMBSL, we've been involved in six deals together.
Two of those were exchanging Caron Butler.
Two of them were him jumping in as the third man in parts of bigger deals for Chriss/Arenas and Dunn.
One was for Antonio Falu.
One was for Michael Jacobson.
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jan 28, 2018 13:53:02 GMT -6
I've became a little bored of the league in the last few years after I realized the next champion would be whoever got to trade with the next guy that started a tank.
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jan 28, 2018 13:59:08 GMT -6
You received a better offer from Odin. How we got to the point where that offer was made is irrelevant. The other trades for different players you offered or completed are irrelevant. You have a better offer. You want to tank and you want to hook up Fecta. If you had just cut the BS you could have done that, but now that it's obvious you probably won't be allowed to even if Fecta sweetens the deal to match Odin's offer. 🍿 |
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 15:08:31 GMT -6
Please offer the names of the three point guards you keep referring to. I can guess one of them is Lonzo but I'm not going to suss out the rest. Once again, I'll disagree that Odin's offer is better. I attempted to negotiate with Odin to get Adoree Jackson. I would have much more strongly considered Adoree and two picks over his current offer because I'm interested in prospects who have shown promise over late draft picks. Of course, if he does bite on something like that, it then becomes two picks and a prospect, which is exactly what Fecta was offering. Then it's up to me to determine whether I like Adoree or Budda better, which I never looked closely into because Odin didn't reply. If Odin was willing to make it three firsts and Adoree then it wouldn't even be a question. Dennis Smith Jr. and De'Aaron Fox. AKA Scrub 1 and Scrub 2. Honestly you would do yourself a favor if you'd stop with the fictions. We can all see the stats Budda put up this year. No one's going to buy that he's a prospect worth 30,000 bucks and two net firsts, not even taking into consideration the fact that in Odin's package the firsts are from a team you wouldn't be sending Lonzo to. Just stop with the Mickey Mouse bull squash. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 15:46:23 GMT -6
This is so ridiculous.
Apparently I’m no longer allowed to determine the value of the players I want to acquire. Heebs and Eric can GM every team if this is how it’s going to be.
Budda Baker played 1800 minutes as a rookie and eric and Heebs have established that he’s not a worthwhile prospect.
Accept whatever trade you want, Heebs. I’m done with arguing this because it doesn’t matter what I actually want to do.
No, I’m not claiming to quit like SPL or Odin did three days ago. But I’m tired of this and will accept the fact that I’m only fractionally in charge of my team and how I want to do things.
If Budda becomes a halfway decent prospect you can bet this will be resurfaced.
Odin elected not to make an offer, saw what I accepted, then chose to slightly better that offer. That’s not how any of this is supposed to work.
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Post by Heebs on Jan 28, 2018 16:30:20 GMT -6
This is so ridiculous. Apparently I’m no longer allowed to determine the value of the players I want to acquire. Heebs and Eric can GM every team if this is how it’s going to be. Budda Baker played 1800 minutes as a rookie and eric and Heebs have established that he’s not a worthwhile prospect. Accept whatever trade you want, Heebs. I’m done with arguing this because it doesn’t matter what I actually want to do. No, I’m not claiming to quit like SPL or Odin did three days ago. But I’m tired of this and will accept the fact that I’m only fractionally in charge of my team and how I want to do things. If Budda becomes a halfway decent prospect you can bet this will be resurfaced. Odin elected not to make an offer, saw what I accepted, then chose to slightly better that offer. That’s not how any of this is supposed to work. So get Budda and four Hornets futures. Or at least get Hornets futures from 58 and 59 when (i) they don't have Tacko, Humphrey, OG, and Ball under contract, and (ii) where Ball could concievably have retired. Budda has C- defense and D+ rebounding. His scoring grades look good, but his production isn't elite. He is a first year player and I'm not saying he can't become a better defender and round out his offensive game - but he's not a can't miss prospect worth a top 3 PG in the league and two picks from the team you're trading him to. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 16:36:23 GMT -6
This is so ridiculous. Apparently I’m no longer allowed to determine the value of the players I want to acquire. Heebs and Eric can GM every team if this is how it’s going to be. Budda Baker played 1800 minutes as a rookie and eric and Heebs have established that he’s not a worthwhile prospect. Accept whatever trade you want, Heebs. I’m done with arguing this because it doesn’t matter what I actually want to do. No, I’m not claiming to quit like SPL or Odin did three days ago. But I’m tired of this and will accept the fact that I’m only fractionally in charge of my team and how I want to do things. If Budda becomes a halfway decent prospect you can bet this will be resurfaced. Odin elected not to make an offer, saw what I accepted, then chose to slightly better that offer. That’s not how any of this is supposed to work. So get Budda and four Hornets futures. Or at least get Hornets futures from 58 and 59 when (i) they don't have Tacko, Humphrey, OG, and Ball under contract, and (ii) where Ball could concievably have retired. Budda has C- defense and D+ rebounding. His scoring grades look good, but his production isn't elite. He is a first year player and I'm not saying he can't become a better defender and round out his offensive game - but he's not a can't miss prospect worth a top 3 PG in the league and two picks from the team you're trading him to. At this point why don’t you just exchange whatever assets that you feel are fair between us because that’s what’s happening now. |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 16:38:34 GMT -6
So get Budda and four Hornets futures. Or at least get Hornets futures from 58 and 59 when (i) they don't have Tacko, Humphrey, OG, and Ball under contract, and (ii) where Ball could concievably have retired. Budda has C- defense and D+ rebounding. His scoring grades look good, but his production isn't elite. He is a first year player and I'm not saying he can't become a better defender and round out his offensive game - but he's not a can't miss prospect worth a top 3 PG in the league and two picks from the team you're trading him to. At this point why don’t you just exchange whatever assets that you feel are fair between us because that’s what’s happening now. Also if you want to accept the Nuggets offer I’ll go ahead and say no bids for free agency because, you know, I won’t have cap room. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jan 28, 2018 16:38:42 GMT -6
So do I pm heebs for Chriss or what
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Post by SugarShaun on Jan 28, 2018 16:59:16 GMT -6
This isn’t the first time a Commish has said that one GM wasn’t sending enough in a trade and it won’t be the last.
Fecta simply could’ve said at that point he was willing to add more or walk away from the deal
Being IRL friends is bound to draw more scrutiny to a trade, look at every Druce/Majic trade thread.
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 17:07:27 GMT -6
for the first time in my life i'm wondering if i'm the only human involved here is it a tim/fecta troll? is it a tim/fecta/herb troll? call it majic? call it 'drew luck?  |
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 17:09:09 GMT -6
for reference, user TimPig, look at this trade that was initially vetoed and tell me this isn't shadier |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 28, 2018 17:14:09 GMT -6
Bottom line for me is that if both parties make a trade with the intent for it to be in the best interest of their franchise then it shouldn't be vetoed. Only exception for me would be if its a new GM who is getting taken advantage of.
Think about how mad you would be if the commissioner told you that you couldn't accept a trade you wanted and had to take another offer.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 28, 2018 17:16:41 GMT -6
here is my main problem with this trade and others like it GMs are trading away a known top tier level player just for the ability to tank.There’s no real reason to sell low on a player of Lonzo’s ability just because you want to lose more. There have been plenty of teams recently that have had a good player and been able to tAnk. Hell I had Williams-Svi-Williams and I still ended up in the lottery. As I have said before. Adding an objective time frame on when you HAVE to trade a stud player is dumb. Let the market settle and eventually a needy team could come along with a better offer. We are in the midst of a Draft. Haven’t had Free Agency. So many factors are unknown. as an example: Druce could lose Dean and be needy for a player and make a far better offer. Having a few extra wins isn’t as big of a deal as some want to make it seem. SPL got Rory at 7, the reigning rookie of the year was picked at 25
Obviously you increase your odds of getting a better player the higher you pick, but you can successfully rebuild without getting #1 odds 1. This literally happens all the time in real life. 2. Tim would like to have Lonzo gone before FA so he has room. I can take Lonzo on without giving him anyone back, which is a plus. 3. Tom Brady was picked in the 6th round, but I will take my chances on a QB at #1. |
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Post by Face-in on Jan 28, 2018 17:20:53 GMT -6
Eric is really fired up, I can't remember ever seeing him like this, I'm scared.
FWIW I think the trade should be processed and I'm offering my services to be an impartial judge (except when the Suns are involved) on trade controversies so Heebs doesn't always have to be the bad guy.
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 18:56:21 GMT -6
Bottom line for me is that if both parties make a trade with the intent for it to be in the best interest of their franchise then it shouldn't be vetoed. Only exception for me would be if its a new GM who is getting taken advantage of. Why are we parsing intent? If your trade can stand on the merits, let it stand. If it dies, it dies.I've been in this league for decades more than you young pups. And I don't make trades dishonestly. So I wouldn't be mad. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jan 28, 2018 19:23:34 GMT -6
once one of my trades got rejected in a league, and i ended up quitting because of it
too bad it wasn't this one huh
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Post by Odin on Jan 29, 2018 2:02:47 GMT -6
This is so ridiculous. Apparently I’m no longer allowed to determine the value of the players I want to acquire. Heebs and Eric can GM every team if this is how it’s going to be. Budda Baker played 1800 minutes as a rookie and eric and Heebs have established that he’s not a worthwhile prospect. Accept whatever trade you want, Heebs. I’m done with arguing this because it doesn’t matter what I actually want to do. No, I’m not claiming to quit like SPL or Odin did three days ago. But I’m tired of this and will accept the fact that I’m only fractionally in charge of my team and how I want to do things. If Budda becomes a halfway decent prospect you can bet this will be resurfaced. Odin elected not to make an offer, saw what I accepted, then chose to slightly better that offer. That’s not how any of this is supposed to work. here's why i didn't offer for lonzo before this thread was posted: 1. i wanted an alston/moore/jones/mason package so i was working to get the spurs picks from the sonics 2. you worked out a deal with heebs and told me "I think I may have a deal with Majic to send him Mason for my pick and other stuff, then a separate deal elsewhere for Lonzo." 3. i did not magically know the trade you had agreed to would be posted and vetoed giving me a baseline for my offer. i simply didn't offer because you said he was already out the door. |
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Post by Odin on Jan 29, 2018 2:06:59 GMT -6
I'd really love to understand what your interest in Lonzo is since you just traded away one of the top SGs in the league and were attempting to get rid of your aging point guard. I've put all my players on the block 30 times Rex low key sucks JHB offered 3 times as much as i had ever been offered for him Have you never heard of the Dirt Method? |
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Post by SPL on Jan 29, 2018 2:19:06 GMT -6
I've became a little bored of the league in the last few years after I realized the next champion would be whoever got to trade with the next guy that started a tank. My championship 2 seasons ago centered around me trading with another team that made the playoffs for me to acquire Brunson. My championship last season was a series of trades that ended up with me trading with a non playoff team for Lebron. My championship this season will center around me obtaining more depth to my core. |
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Post by Face-in on Jan 29, 2018 7:51:23 GMT -6
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jan 29, 2018 7:54:43 GMT -6
I've became a little bored of the league in the last few years after I realized the next champion would be whoever got to trade with the next guy that started a tank. My championship 2 seasons ago centered around me trading with another team that made the playoffs for me to acquire Brunson. My championship last season was a series of trades that ended up with me trading with a non playoff team for Lebron. My championship this season will center around me obtaining more depth to my core. meh. i see ankly as just having sexton, i see tim giving up nothing and raping you for dunn, and you taking your daughter and threatening to quit at the same time and thus 20s made rory a league killer while also getting a deal for lebron pushed through that no one even knew was coming last true champion is Cinco de Wardo |
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