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Post by gbgalla24 on May 9, 2016 14:20:23 GMT -6
They better not have actually murdered another goddamn direwolf. I have read a lot of people saying Rikon and Osha along with the Umbers are just Trojan horses inside Winterfell to bring down Ramsey
they found a wild Direwolf and didn't actually kill Rikons
I think the Umbers are trying to infiltrate the Boltons to overthrow them. At least I think that's where HBO is taking this, but in actuality, handing over one of the last remaining Starks to a crazy fuck who has been proven unpredictable and prone to hasty decisions seems like a terrible plan. |
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Post by Bruns on May 9, 2016 14:21:33 GMT -6
Was wondering when u were gonna stop by gbgalla24 |
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 9, 2016 14:25:06 GMT -6
I have seen a lot of people talk about Dany and Jon ending up together...
but wouldn't that be incest??
what if Lyanna had fucking twins? then the story will really come full circle of John and Danny end up fucking while riding their dragons |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 9, 2016 14:27:43 GMT -6
Was wondering when u were gonna stop by gbgalla24 Yeah, I've been busy lately, and I was out of the office this morning. I had to take Auggie to the vet since he has been vomiting and having trouble keeping food down since late Friday night/Saturday morning. Xrays didn't see any blockage, but I got some pills that are supposed to help prevent vomiting and some food that supposed to have lots of nutrients while also being easy on the dogs stomach; so we'll see how they work and go from there. |
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Post by Majic on May 9, 2016 14:31:38 GMT -6
Yeah, Targaryens have been marrying Targaryens for ages, going back to their days in Valyria before the doom. I would love to see a prequel that showed Valyria in its prime
I am pretty sure they will do one at some point once this main series is done
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 9, 2016 14:36:15 GMT -6
Yeah, Targaryens have been marrying Targaryens for ages, going back to their days in Valyria before the doom. I would love to see a prequel that showed Valyria in its prime
I am pretty sure they will do one at some point once this main series is done
HBO would be foolish to not attempt spin off series once the ASOIAF story is completed |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 9, 2016 14:38:10 GMT -6
Yeah, Targaryens have been marrying Targaryens for ages, going back to their days in Valyria before the doom. I would love to see a prequel that showed Valyria in its prime
I am pretty sure they will do one at some point once this main series is done
I'm reading A World of Ice and Fire right now, which is basically the history of Westeros back to the time of the First Men coming to Westeros. It even goes into some of the history of Essos and talks about Valyria a little bit in there, too. It starts kinda slow, but it gets interesting when they start going into each Targaryen's time as king. |
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Post by Bruns on May 9, 2016 14:39:10 GMT -6
Was wondering when u were gonna stop by gbgalla24 Yeah, I've been busy lately, and I was out of the office this morning. I had to take Auggie to the vet since he has been vomiting and having trouble keeping food down since late Friday night/Saturday morning. Xrays didn't see any blockage, but I got some pills that are supposed to help prevent vomiting and some food that supposed to have lots of nutrients while also being easy on the dogs stomach; so we'll see how they work and go from there. Hope Auggie feels better soon! |
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Post by Majic on May 9, 2016 14:40:28 GMT -6
I would love to see a prequel that showed Valyria in its prime
I am pretty sure they will do one at some point once this main series is done
HBO would be foolish to not attempt spin off series once the ASOIAF story is completed for sure
its going to happen, will be interesting what stories they pick to do. just so much stuff to choose from
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Post by Majic on May 9, 2016 14:42:03 GMT -6
I follow a guy named Jason Consepcion, he is a all knowing GoT guy and does a weekly Q&A
I can send it along for you guys when It comes out
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 9, 2016 14:42:26 GMT -6
HBO would be foolish to not attempt spin off series once the ASOIAF story is completed for sure
its going to happen, will be interesting what stories they pick to do. just so much stuff to choose from
I wouldn't be surprised by multiple one off seasons. 10 episodes on Robert's rebellion 10 episodes on the rise of the Targareyns 10 episodes on the rise of the Lannisters etc |
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Post by Majic on May 9, 2016 15:11:31 GMT -6
for sure
its going to happen, will be interesting what stories they pick to do. just so much stuff to choose from
I wouldn't be surprised by multiple one off seasons. 10 episodes on Robert's rebellion 10 episodes on the rise of the Targareyns 10 episodes on the rise of the Lannisters etc feel like this model would work better
less to jam in and can focus on smaller stories and go more in depth
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Post by Buster 5000 on May 9, 2016 22:22:44 GMT -6
After skimming the thread it appears I have a lot to learn. Never read the books, usually avoid anything GoT related on the internet. Has no Jon and Dan were siblings or whatever.
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 9, 2016 22:49:31 GMT -6
After skimming the thread it appears I have a lot to learn. Never read the books, usually avoid anything GoT related on the internet. Has no Jon and Dan were siblings or whatever. That's just a wild guess buster. No real evidence behind that. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 10, 2016 7:44:53 GMT -6
After skimming the thread it appears I have a lot to learn. Never read the books, usually avoid anything GoT related on the internet. Has no Jon and Dan were siblings or whatever. You know nothing Buster Snow. |
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Post by Bruns on May 10, 2016 8:08:30 GMT -6
Bankz just got to the Red Wedding episode yesterday.   |
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 10, 2016 8:13:18 GMT -6
Bankz just got to the Red Wedding episode yesterday. Lol. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 10, 2016 8:27:44 GMT -6
Bankz just got to the Red Wedding episode yesterday. Poor guy. Did he have any idea something might be going down? |
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Post by Majic on May 10, 2016 8:29:58 GMT -6
thought I would share this for everyone to read:
By Jason Concepcion
Have more questions for our Maester? Tune in at 3 p.m. ET, when Jason will answer your questions live, right here on Facebook.
Rest in peace, Shaggydog. We barely knew you. Mostly because you were a tangential, computer-generated character who hasn’t appeared since Season 3. The wildest of the six Stark direwolves — “full of fear and rage,” is how Jojen Reed described you in the books — I hope you took a few Umbers with you.
And then there were three: Ghost (with Jon), Nymeria (presumably roaming the Riverlands at the head of a huge pack of regular wolves), and Summer (with Bran under the tree).
Jack asks, “Was the direwolf head a little small? Maybe it was a fake?”
This is likely wishful thinking. Passing off a fake direwolf head in the North seems like a very foolish and probably impossible thing to do. And, anyway: to what end? I’ve seen some hopeful speculation that the Umbers might stand in for the Manderlys, another Northern family who, in the books, make a show of supporting the Boltons while secretly working to unify support around the Starks. I doubt this is the case. If the Smalljon were trying to gain Ramsay’s trust and allay suspicion for a future double cross, he could have accomplished that by kneeling and pledging his banners. That’s all Ramsay was asking for, after all. No need to go the extra mile and deliver Rickon to his sworn enemies after killing his wolf. If that’s the Umbers’ master plan, we should all fear for the North.
Melissa asks, “If the Boltons have always caused problems for the Starks, why did they put up with them for so long?”
Navigating regional rivalries is a fact of life for Westerosi nobility. It’s likely that every great house has vassals like the Boltons who are just biding the centuries waiting for the right opportunity to cast down their overlord.
Some of these feuds have their roots in the Targaryen Conquest. When Aegon invaded, he had three dragons and fewer than 3,000 armed men, with an entire continent to unify. To gain native support, he awarded lands and titles to the houses that backed him. The Tyrells, for example, were formerly stewards to the Gardner Kings of the Reach. After King Mern IX, along with untold thousands, was roasted alive by dragonfire at the Field of Fire, Aegon gave Highgarden and lordship of the Reach to Harlan Tyrell. A rich reward indeed, and all Harlan had to do was open the gates. This greatly vexes House Florent, who can point to a long history of intermarriage with the Gardner Kings as justification for their still-active claim to Highgarden. When the Tyrells backed Renly during the War of the Five Kings, House Florent threw its support to Stannis. (Queen Selyse was a Florent.)
Other rivalries, like the Starks and the Boltons, stretch back thousands of years. If Cersei is looking for payback for Myrcella, she should send a raven to the Yronwoods, ancient rivals of the Martells in Dorne. The Yronwood kings once ruled half the region, including some of the choicest land, and the Lord of Yronwood still holds the ceremonial title of “the Bloodroyal.” It was only an alliance with the Rhoynar, seafaring refugees from Essos who washed up on Dornish shores roughly a thousand years ago, that allowed the Martells of Sunspear to overthrow the Yronwood kings.
Back to the question: I’m sure the old Kings in the North would have loved to exterminate the Boltons. Heck, they probably tried. But war is prohibitively expensive. The smallfolk who work the land are the means of production upon which the entire Westerosi economy rests, and when a lord calls his banners for war the bulk of his army will necessarily be made up of farmers and tradesmen. This is why a strong and well-provisioned castle is important — it allows the besieged to run out the clock, giving its owner time to call for reinforcements and leverage to dictate terms of surrender. Hundreds of years ago, the last recorded time the Starks assaulted the Dreadfort, the ensuing siege lasted for two years. By that point, King Harlon Stark was running the risk of his homesick army just being like, “Eff this, I’m going home.”
Alyssa asks, “Why did the act of Rhaegar just giving Lyanna the rose at that tournament start the rebellion?”
It wasn’t so much the act but the cascade of events that came after the famed tournament at Harrenhal. The winter rose was the Gavrilo Princip of Robert’s Rebellion. It presaged Lyanna’s (alleged) kidnapping and rape at the hands of Rhaegar, ruining her betrothal to Robert Baratheon and leading to the alliance of Stag and Wolf, which overthrew the Targaryen dynasty.
In the books, Ser Barristan wonders, regretfully, how the world might have been different had he unseated Rhaegar in the joust, allowing him the honor of awarding the queen-of-love-and-beauty laurel to his crush Ashara Dayne.
Speaking of the Dayne family …
Alex asks: “Who is Ser Arthur Dayne? Why is he called the Sword of the Morning?”
The Daynes trace their lineage back to the earliest days of recorded history in Westeros, and Ser Arthur’s fame was like a combination of Michael Jordan, Pistol Pete, and Babe Ruth. In the books, Ser Gerold “Darkstar” Dayne complains: “My house goes back ten thousand years. … Why is it that my cousin is the only Dayne that anyone remembers?” Because he was dope, Gerry. Because he was dope.
Ser Arthur was widely regarded as the finest warrior of his era. He was a knight of the kingsguard and Prince Rhaegar’s oldest friend. As “Sword of the Morning,” a title bestowed on only the ablest Dayne knights, he had the honor of wielding the ancestral greatsword Dawn. Forged from the milky white ore of a fallen star, Dawn is a singular weapon. Like weapons of Valyrian steel, the blade is light and uncannily resilient; it has held its razor-sharp edge for thousands of years. When Ser Arthur touched a young Jaime Lannister on the shoulders with Dawn, raising him to knighthood, its mere caress sliced through Jaime’s cloak and drew blood. After defeating* Arthur at the Tower of Joy, Ned returned Dawn to Starfall out of respect.
The presence of three Kingsguard knights (it’s three in the books; maybe that’s why Dayne wields two swords) at a nondescript North Dorne towerkeep is one of the foundations of the Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon theory. You don’t use Kingsguard to guard a hostage; their place is with the king or his heir.
Matt asks, “Why did Ned lie about Dayne getting stabbed in the back?”
Ned didn’t lie so much as leave that part of the story out. It’s not a great look for any of the parties involved. In the books, Ned tells Bran that Dayne “would have killed me but for Howland Reed,” which is accurate. Bran never asked him to elaborate.
Sean asks, “Where is the Tower of Joy?”
Northern Dorne, in the crucial Prince’s Pass, one of the two main overland routes through the Red Mountains.
Corban asks, “When is Rhaegar gonna drop that harp album?”
The Prince was indeed renowned for his ability to make knights cry and ladies sigh when he got on the famed silver strings of his one-of-a-kind harp. Gee, I wonder where that thing is now …
Sam asks, “Why didn’t Robert go with Ned to help rescue Lyanna?”
It’s possible that Robert was still recuperating from injuries suffered at the Battle of the Trident. That aside, staying in King’s Landing was a rare display of wisdom on his part. He had a realm to consolidate. You don’t want to leave the capital when no one knows who the next king is supposed to be. If Robert had gone on a lovelorn traipse to the Red Mountains, the next ruler might’ve been Tywin Lannister.
Danny asks, “Who farted?”
I got my money on the rosacea-blotched butt cheeks of Mace Tyrell. The bounty of the Reach can make a dude gassy. That’s why I don’t eat before small council meetings.
[Editor’s note: YOU KNOW IT WAS THAT FILTHY OLD FOOL PYCELLE!]
Kevin asks: “How can Jon just appoint Dolorous Edd Lord Commander? Don't they need to have an election? Or do we just assume Edd is Interim Lord Commander?”
Jon just gave Edd command of Castle Black, which is well within his powers. The brothers will still have to hold an election. A not-inconsiderable amount of time elapsed between the death of Lord Commander Mormont and Snow’s election, during which time Alliser Thorne essentially ran the show.
Craig asks: “Can Jon Snow quit as Lord Commander? I thought it was a job for life.”
I think a reasonable reading of the Night’s Watch oath — “Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death” — justifies Jon’s leaving of the order after his men murdered him. The spirit of the words, however, probably dictates that he should stay on. He was dead for, like, less than a day. Hopefully, this is an indication that Jon is ready to bend rules when necessary — a lesson that Ned never learned.
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 10, 2016 9:11:20 GMT -6
Where is the harp?
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Post by Mad King on May 10, 2016 11:08:42 GMT -6
Who do u think she kills first? Hoping Walder Frey is gonna get a nice surprise soon.
Does Frey do anything about his daughter? And makes no sense an Umber would fuck over the starks imo. |
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Post by Bruns on May 10, 2016 11:16:13 GMT -6
Who do u think she kills first? Hoping Walder Frey is gonna get a nice surprise soon.
Does Frey do anything about his daughter? And makes no sense an Umber would fuck over the starks imo. You would think Walder would do something about his daughter's death but I have no idea. Especially after he paid a dowry at the price of her weight. Does Ramsey say they were poisoned too? You would think Walder would want her body returned but that's not gonna happen.
Umbers are too notoriously loyal to Starks to fuck them over. I think Littlejon is going to play Wyman Manderly position in the book and has something up his sleeve.
“ The Umbers may seem simple, but they are not without a certain low cunning.”
- Roose Bolton to Theon Greyjoy
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Post by Mad King on May 10, 2016 11:21:04 GMT -6
Yea I hate that the Wyman and Davos storyline isn't in the show. Its hard to grasp the show now because Ive already came to the realization that RR Martin is going to fuck us out of the books with a stroke or some shit.
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Post by MistleTacoe on May 10, 2016 11:28:56 GMT -6
for sure
its going to happen, will be interesting what stories they pick to do. just so much stuff to choose from
I wouldn't be surprised by multiple one off seasons. 10 episodes on Robert's rebellion 10 episodes on the rise of the Targareyns 10 episodes on the rise of the Lannisters etc I really hope they do this....but they will definitely do some sort of spin off regardless |
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Post by Bruns on May 10, 2016 11:42:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised by multiple one off seasons. 10 episodes on Robert's rebellion 10 episodes on the rise of the Targareyns 10 episodes on the rise of the Lannisters etc I really hope they do this....but they will definitely do some sort of spin off regardless Too much money to be made. I can see them doing a Dunk and Egg series. Would love to see Dance of the Dragons series or perhaps The war of Ninepennies so we can see how bad ass Barristan was. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 10, 2016 12:03:05 GMT -6
Does Frey do anything about his daughter? And makes no sense an Umber would fuck over the starks imo. You would think Walder would do something about his daughter's death but I have no idea. Especially after he paid a dowry at the price of her weight. Does Ramsey say they were poisoned too? You would think Walder would want her body returned but that's not gonna happen.
Umbers are too notoriously loyal to Starks to fuck them over. I think Littlejon is going to play Wyman Manderly position in the book and has something up his sleeve.
“ The Umbers may seem simple, but they are not without a certain low cunning.”
- Roose Bolton to Theon Greyjoy
Ramsay would likely say that Walda died in childbirth, and the child died with her. |
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Post by Bruns on May 10, 2016 12:09:21 GMT -6
You would think Walder would do something about his daughter's death but I have no idea. Especially after he paid a dowry at the price of her weight. Does Ramsey say they were poisoned too? You would think Walder would want her body returned but that's not gonna happen.
Umbers are too notoriously loyal to Starks to fuck them over. I think Littlejon is going to play Wyman Manderly position in the book and has something up his sleeve.
“ The Umbers may seem simple, but they are not without a certain low cunning.”
- Roose Bolton to Theon Greyjoy
Ramsay would likely say that Walda died in childbirth, and the child died with her. He'd still want to see the body I would imagine. |
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Post by Majic on May 10, 2016 12:19:13 GMT -6
Ramsay would likely say that Walda died in childbirth, and the child died with her. He'd still want to see the body I would imagine. plus if the Umbers are hearing whispers of Ramsey killing his dad, I am sure the Freys are hearing similar rumors
Frey may be a gross old man, but he isn't stupid
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Post by Face-in on May 11, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -6
Olly's death was so satisfying.
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 11, 2016 15:01:36 GMT -6
fuck olly so much
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