Post by eric on Jan 13, 2017 11:01:26 GMT -6
I compiled everyone's salary for 3014-3042. (I was able to get some years from tmbsl.com but the domain is down now so now I can't anymore, and I didn't want to do bits and pieces so I left it all out.)
Over 16,525,374 minutes TMBSL players generated 34800 Win Shares and were paid $54,263,971,906. Therefore the average Win Shares produced per million dollars of salary is .641.
Here are the top ten earners.
It's gonna take a lot for anyone to break $300m. A player has to start as a teen, play deep into their thirties, and be elite the whole time. The highest active player is Jonas Valanciunas at almost $250m, and I can personally guarantee he's gonna break into the top ten.
Wins per $ is kind of tricky because obviously the best will be guys who are on the first year of a second round contract and were good: right now that's Jason Kapono and Luke Ridnour at ~10 WS/m$. To minimize that skewing I went with a 100 career WS cutoff, and here are the guys who generated at least one WS/m$:
If you didn't see the first guy on the list coming you have really not been paying attention. He didn't turn out as good as I hoped, but he's still a great player, and he plays for peanuts: resigned to 3yr $15m (not each, total), resigned to 3yr $17m, and now he's resigned again to 4yr $28m. It's hard to imagine anyone ever coming close to the WS/m$ figure he'll retire with.
Gil is still on his first max, so even as an all time great player his figure is going to come down. Consider that to generate 1.8 ws/$m on even the last year of his current max ($18,750,000) would require him to put up over 33 Win Shares - not gonna happen. He'll probably end up in the Kyrie range, and any time you can say that about a player it's high praise.
The Great Carl Nicks wasn't as (in)famous as Jesse with his resigns, but he had a couple other advantages: drafted in the second round instead of the first, tested FA before anyone knew how good he was so I got him on a ridiculous 3yr $18m deal, resigned 3yr $20m, resigned 2yr $14m, and retired young. Nobody can keep up these efficiency numbers deep into their thirties - the only winning move is not to play.
Sam is an elite player on his first max too, and as an older player he's more likely to retire earlier in his mega bucks years. He won't stay this high but he should have a decent finish.
BJ Mullens has a really weird story. Drafted at 2.4 just like Carl Nicks, offered to resign with the Celtics for 4yr $28m and was declined, and then somehow he ended up on the Kings with a min. I've scoured the signings and trade threads and I just have no idea how it happened. The next year 20s got an LLE he didn't bid on and asked to substitute Mullens, then he legit signed to the MLE, then resigned 4yr $24m, then signed in FA for 7yr $46m, then was notoriously traded with Carl Nicks forKevin Brooks Brandon Knight Bismack Biyombo. He was a very good but not great d/r and scorer, probably the second best two-way big in the league at the time after Steph Templeton, finally got a ring on the #ohwow Spurs, and even getting paid a year to sit on the Hawks bench didn't submarine his amazing WS/m$ efficiency.
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Now let's get to the bums. These are the players who were below average WS/m$ for their careers only if their careers were entirely in 3014-3042. I did this because if I only look at a guy's numbers in the last six years of his career, he's gonna look really bad compared to the guys who racked up 70 WS on $10m worth of a rookie deal.
I made a point to include ws/48 to illustrate that it's not like these guys were bums. Sharman Soft and Hard as Nauls were pretty much as good as each other, the difference is that Billie got a max and near-max resign so he was an albatross while Willie played for nickels so he's a top ten bargain.
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Finally, the negatives. For them I decided to just see who was the highest paid of all players to generate negative Win Shares on their careers, and I also let guys in who didn't play their whole careers in this regime. Special shout out to Greg Sutton who got paid over $12m to play 18 career minutes. Here are the top ten:
Wiggy and Toney are actually negatives, -.19 and -.36 career Win Shares respectively.
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So that's it! I might go back and parse out all the free agency signings etc. to get the earlier years but I probably won't, so don't hold your breath. If we can get tmbsl.com up and running again it'd be a snap though.
Over 16,525,374 minutes TMBSL players generated 34800 Win Shares and were paid $54,263,971,906. Therefore the average Win Shares produced per million dollars of salary is .641.
Here are the top ten earners.
$315,582,803 Myles Turner
$311,644,135 Kevin Garnett
$299,036,935 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
$291,140,080 Tobi Oyedeji
$285,827,580 Joe Silvestri
$281,123,371 Sandor Clegane
$266,347,962 George Ackles
$264,394,718 Stephen Curry
$263,336,651 Kristaps Porzingis
$257,375,574 Matthew LockhartIt's gonna take a lot for anyone to break $300m. A player has to start as a teen, play deep into their thirties, and be elite the whole time. The highest active player is Jonas Valanciunas at almost $250m, and I can personally guarantee he's gonna break into the top ten.
Wins per $ is kind of tricky because obviously the best will be guys who are on the first year of a second round contract and were good: right now that's Jason Kapono and Luke Ridnour at ~10 WS/m$. To minimize that skewing I went with a 100 career WS cutoff, and here are the guys who generated at least one WS/m$:
mp ws career salary ws/m$ ws/48 name
30946 118 $51,263,637 2.299 .183 Jesse Epstein
24387 129 $69,824,062 1.848 .254 Gilbert Arenas
27920 104 $66,458,667 1.561 .178 Carl Nicks
27009 119 $90,449,062 1.317 .212 Sam Jones
31207 102 $77,790,463 1.307 .156 BJ Mullens
33041 158 $125,582,218 1.256 .229 Jimmy Jackson
26405 104 $90,957,218 1.148 .190 Elgin Baylor
55418 255 $227,269,718 1.123 .221 Kyrie Irving
40047 112 $100,521,241 1.115 .134 Willie Nauls
35761 150 $137,412,399 1.089 .201 Sergey Karasev
34631 143 $135,101,827 1.057 .198 Tyus Edney
46709 118 $113,510,897 1.041 .121 Alvaro Teheran
40182 144 $139,303,075 1.037 .173 Steve Francis
39409 139 $134,448,833 1.030 .169 Ty Lawson
44473 211 $205,019,718 1.030 .228 Jesus Shuttlesworth
37065 108 $105,572,972 1.023 .140 Anfernee HardawayIf you didn't see the first guy on the list coming you have really not been paying attention. He didn't turn out as good as I hoped, but he's still a great player, and he plays for peanuts: resigned to 3yr $15m (not each, total), resigned to 3yr $17m, and now he's resigned again to 4yr $28m. It's hard to imagine anyone ever coming close to the WS/m$ figure he'll retire with.
Gil is still on his first max, so even as an all time great player his figure is going to come down. Consider that to generate 1.8 ws/$m on even the last year of his current max ($18,750,000) would require him to put up over 33 Win Shares - not gonna happen. He'll probably end up in the Kyrie range, and any time you can say that about a player it's high praise.
The Great Carl Nicks wasn't as (in)famous as Jesse with his resigns, but he had a couple other advantages: drafted in the second round instead of the first, tested FA before anyone knew how good he was so I got him on a ridiculous 3yr $18m deal, resigned 3yr $20m, resigned 2yr $14m, and retired young. Nobody can keep up these efficiency numbers deep into their thirties - the only winning move is not to play.
Sam is an elite player on his first max too, and as an older player he's more likely to retire earlier in his mega bucks years. He won't stay this high but he should have a decent finish.
BJ Mullens has a really weird story. Drafted at 2.4 just like Carl Nicks, offered to resign with the Celtics for 4yr $28m and was declined, and then somehow he ended up on the Kings with a min. I've scoured the signings and trade threads and I just have no idea how it happened. The next year 20s got an LLE he didn't bid on and asked to substitute Mullens, then he legit signed to the MLE, then resigned 4yr $24m, then signed in FA for 7yr $46m, then was notoriously traded with Carl Nicks for
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Now let's get to the bums. These are the players who were below average WS/m$ for their careers only if their careers were entirely in 3014-3042. I did this because if I only look at a guy's numbers in the last six years of his career, he's gonna look really bad compared to the guys who racked up 70 WS on $10m worth of a rookie deal.
mp ws career salary ws/m$ ws/48 name
45129 180 $281,123,371 .640 .192 Sandor Clegane
40708 117 $183,842,417 .634 .138 Kosta Koufos
48075 157 $249,964,976 .627 .156 Jonas Valanciunas
39940 112 $180,332,218 .624 .135 LaMarcus Aldridge
48259 154 $249,888,074 .617 .153 Rudy Gay
50611 178 $291,140,080 .612 .169 Tobi Oyedeji
40761 122 $207,586,029 .590 .144 Paul Arizin
45166 105 $195,033,809 .537 .111 Eric Gordon
37120 103 $198,948,833 .517 .133 Bill SharmanI made a point to include ws/48 to illustrate that it's not like these guys were bums. Sharman Soft and Hard as Nauls were pretty much as good as each other, the difference is that Billie got a max and near-max resign so he was an albatross while Willie played for nickels so he's a top ten bargain.
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Finally, the negatives. For them I decided to just see who was the highest paid of all players to generate negative Win Shares on their careers, and I also let guys in who didn't play their whole careers in this regime. Special shout out to Greg Sutton who got paid over $12m to play 18 career minutes. Here are the top ten:
mp ws career salary ws/m$ ws/48 name
18471 -45 $63,514,517 -.705 -.116 Matthew Jacobson
6565 -10 $57,506,700 -.175 -.073 Stephan Dampier
27236 -0 $51,384,681 -.004 .000 Andrew Wiggins
22209 -45 $51,002,266 -.879 -.097 Chris Washburn
9400 -34 $49,565,850 -.695 -.176 Josh Coleman
10766 -43 $43,000,000 -.994 -.191 Angel Jamison
22899 -6 $38,609,655 -.152 -.012 Noah Vonleh
9316 -24 $35,075,900 -.681 -.123 Owen Green
8310 -43 $34,000,000 -1.251 -.246 Neetnum Nagdorus
5067 -0 $32,984,856 -.011 -.003 Andrew ToneyWiggy and Toney are actually negatives, -.19 and -.36 career Win Shares respectively.
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So that's it! I might go back and parse out all the free agency signings etc. to get the earlier years but I probably won't, so don't hold your breath. If we can get tmbsl.com up and running again it'd be a snap though.
