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Post by eric on Apr 13, 2017 9:34:04 GMT -6
2poor andrewluck ANK1990 ayyoe Lazy Pete Delap kn88 FectaDEEZ gbgalla24 @dumptime Jerry West lip MistleTacoe Majic MJ tyler 3001 SPL SugarShaun Heebs Trofie victorj24 Cinco de Wardo KwYawnza Face-in Bruns Mad King Citizen Cane Souper Troopers Heynong Man IanBoyd BKay JewelersHey everyone, I thought it would be fun to have our own MVP ballot this year. Here's how it works! You pick five players. No ties. The first player on your ballot gets five points, the second gets four, the third three, the fourth two, and the last one. You can either post your ballot here or PM them to me, and I'll tabulate them to see who wins. For example, my ballot looks like this: 1. Kawhi Leonard 2. James Harden 3. LeBron James 4. Steph Curry 5. Rudy Gobert . For your reference, here are links to resources with various stats: Simple Rating System and various other team stats at basketball-reference.com Basketball Power Index playoff projections from espn.com CARM-Elo playoff projections from 538 PER, Win Shares, and VORP at basketball-reference.com Wins Produced at boxscoregeeks.com (note that they do not use the original methodology so if you're calculating WP at home that's why you see differences) Real Plus Minus at espn.com . Good luck, and happy voting!
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Post by Delap on Apr 13, 2017 9:35:07 GMT -6
1. Russy
2. Harden
3. Kawhi
4. LBJ
5. Gobert
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Post by eric on Apr 13, 2017 9:35:38 GMT -6
My reasoning for my ballot.
So at the end of the season, who has the best stats? Let's take Win Shares, Wins Produced, and RPM because they're the three composite stats that best correlate with actual winning, and let's give each player their percentage of the highest value this year, so if a player led in all three stats, they'd get a 3.00.
2.80 Rudy Gobert
2.75 LeBron James
2.67 James Harden
2.65 Jimmy Butler
2.58 Russell Westbrook
2.39 Stephen Curry
2.38 DeAndre Jordan
2.37 Kawhi Leonard
2.34 Giannis Antetokounmpo
2.04 Chris Paul
2.02 Kevin Durant
1.91 Nikola Jokic
1.85 Kyle Lowry
Okay, but these seasons were still historically great, right?
Consider that the high man in Win Shares was Harden with 15, tying him for 70th most... since the ABA-NBA merger.
Or that the high MVP candidate in Wins Produced was LeBron with 19.3, which isn't even the best single season of his career.
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Finally, we all know the Thunder are worse than the Rockets. But how much worse? What are the chances we give Westbrook the MVP and he accepts it in street clothes during round two?
538 gives the Thunder a 30% chance of winning in round one...
...the same as it gives the putrid Bulls of getting past the Celtics.
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This season has already been historic for many reasons. The two reigning MVPs joining teams, the triple double, the Warriors falling short of the Bulls' two-year wins record, the turnover record being shattered (by two different players!)... let's hope the season doesn't become infamous for an historically poor MVP choice, up there with 2011, 2008, 2001, etc. (the irony of course being that Westbrook is a clear cut above those three players who effectively played the same position).
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Bottom line,
LeBron has the best stats but his team's regular season isn't even top six in the league.
Kawhi is the most important to his team but his stats are by far the worst of the four... but stats are terrible at measuring defense.
Harden has only slightly worse stats than LeBron and his team is by a wide margin (on both sides) the third best in the league.
Westbrook's team is about as good as the Bulls and Westbrook's stats are about as good as Jimmy Butler's.
It should be Kawhi or Harden.
I vote Kawhi Harden LeBron Curry Gobert.
And I will sleep well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 9:35:50 GMT -6
1. James Harden
2. Kawhi Leonard
3-5. Not Russell Westbrook
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Apr 13, 2017 9:39:14 GMT -6
1. Harden
2. Kwahi
3. Bron
4. Gobert
5. Steph
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Post by 2poor on Apr 13, 2017 9:49:31 GMT -6
1 Kawhi
2. Westbrook
3. Harden
4. LeBron
5. Isaiah Thomas
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Post by eric on Apr 13, 2017 9:53:13 GMT -6
1. James Harden 2. Kawhi Leonard 3-5. Not Russell Westbrook ballot invalid, no votes counted |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 9:55:14 GMT -6
1. James Harden 2. Kawhi Leonard 3-5. Not Russell Westbrook ballot invalid, no votes counted after those two, no one else deserved MVP |
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Post by eric on Apr 13, 2017 10:11:10 GMT -6
ballot invalid, no votes counted after those two, no one else deserved MVP rules are rules |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Apr 13, 2017 10:12:44 GMT -6
1. Harden
2. Kawhi
3. LeBron
4. AD
5. Jokic
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Post by kn88 on Apr 13, 2017 10:39:56 GMT -6
1. Kawhi
2. Russ
3. Harden
4. Lebron
5. Wall
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Post by Heebs on Apr 13, 2017 10:48:48 GMT -6
1. Harden
2. LBJ
3. PG13
4. Russ
5. Born Ready
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Post by MistleTacoe on Apr 13, 2017 11:28:22 GMT -6
1. Westbrook
2. Harden
3. Kawhi
4. LeBron
5. Curry
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Post by Heynong Man on Apr 13, 2017 11:50:42 GMT -6
1. Kawhi Leonard
2. James Harden
3. Russel Westbrook
4. Lebron James
5. Giannis Antetokounmpo
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Apr 13, 2017 12:29:36 GMT -6
1. Russell Westbrook
2. Kevin Durant
3. James Harden
4. Serge Ibaka
5. Reggie Jackson
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Post by Souper Troopers on Apr 13, 2017 13:26:22 GMT -6
If Russ isn't in your top 5 your ballot should be trashed
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Post by MistleTacoe on Apr 13, 2017 13:32:04 GMT -6
If Russ isn't in your top 5 your ballot should be trashed Seconded. Only reasons he wouldn't be in your top 5 are: 1. you mad 2. you stupid |
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Post by Cinco de Wardo on Apr 13, 2017 13:45:32 GMT -6
1. Kawhi
2. Giannis
3. Harden
4. LeBron
5. Westbrook
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Post by Odin on Apr 13, 2017 15:13:07 GMT -6
Harden
Kawhi
Lebron
Westbrook
Giannis
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Post by eric on Apr 14, 2017 17:18:46 GMT -6
gonna announce the results tomorrow morning
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Post by andrewluck on Apr 15, 2017 9:07:26 GMT -6
1) Harden
2) Westbrook
3) LeBron
4) Kawhi
5) Giannis
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Post by KwYawnza on Apr 15, 2017 9:21:28 GMT -6
1. Kawhi
2. Harden
3. Westbrook
4. LeKing
5. Steph
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2017 10:31:17 GMT -6
thanks for voting y'all Your sim league 2017 NBA MVP:  61 harden
53 kawhi
43 westbrook
35 lebron
7 giannis
5 curry
5 gobert
4 durant
3 paul george
2 davis
2 ibaka
1 isaiah
1 jokic
1 reggie j.
1 stephenson
1 wallFirst place votes went 6 for Kawhi, 5 for Harden, 4 for Westbrook. Harden was the only player to appear on every ballot. Lebron was on 14, Kawhi 13, Westbrook 12. Three players appeared four times (Curry, Giannis, Gobert), everyone else appeared only once. There were three ballots with at least two players who didn't appear on any other ballot: Davis and Jokic, Paul George and Stephenson, Durant(!) Ibaka and Reggie Jackson. Removing those three gives Kawhi a narrow victory over Harden. Removing the three ballots that didn't include Westbrook still leaves Harden in first place with 47 to Westbrook's 43 and Kawhi's 40. Removing the two ballots that didn't have Kawhi (includes the non Lebron) results in a tie between Harden and Kawhi. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 10:39:43 GMT -6
the people's MVP
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Post by Delap on Apr 15, 2017 10:44:21 GMT -6
Who didn't have Kawhi or Lebron on their ballot?
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2017 14:35:37 GMT -6
Who didn't have Kawhi or Lebron on their ballot? put all current or former thunders |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Apr 15, 2017 14:37:58 GMT -6
Good thing the real voters will do the right thing
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Post by eric on Apr 15, 2017 16:14:28 GMT -6
Good thing the real voters will do the right thing buddy, nobody's putting reggie on the ballot |
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Post by MistleTacoe on Apr 16, 2017 11:03:35 GMT -6
People who don't have Westbrook on their ballot are actually dumb
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Post by eric on Apr 16, 2017 13:14:07 GMT -6
People who don't have Westbrook on their ballot are actually dumb even if we take out all those ballots westbrook still loses so... |
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