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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2014 8:31:45 GMT -6
Was thinking this might be kinda fun, before the draft starts I could do a pre-draft camp where say 10 prospects have a grade or two that changes, better, worse, just kinda random. Would be more for like 2nd and 3rd tier guys. If this would be too big a pain in the ass Odin just let me know. Thoughts? |
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Post by dilworth on Jul 17, 2014 8:38:59 GMT -6
We tried this in 2.0 and it busted pretty quickly
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 17, 2014 8:40:34 GMT -6
isn't this just the same thing as you changing a grade in the profiles before the draft?
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Post by Trofie on Jul 17, 2014 8:41:04 GMT -6
We tried this in 2.0 and it busted pretty quickly We didn't do anything like that tbh We had a camp in which 3 different guys were rated in order of an attribute. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2014 8:41:07 GMT -6
Oh really? For some reason I don't remember that. I was thinking I could do an article for it with like fake games between prospects at the camp and matchup analysis and scouting stuff.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 17, 2014 8:43:56 GMT -6
Meh
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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2014 8:44:09 GMT -6
isn't this just the same thing as you changing a grade in the profiles before the draft? :facepalm: |
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 17, 2014 8:45:28 GMT -6
You can do exhibition mode in the software between the prospects, poe ran it once or twice back in 1.0 but it was way too much hassle to do it on a yearly basis.
Would require all the rooks to be made before hand, exported to a different file, make a new file and manually editing them into evenly matched teams then running exhibition games.
But if you mean you writing fake scrimmage articles then changing some grades based on that, you can pretty much already do that anyway as draft master. All it will be is just you writing an article with fake scrimmages.
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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2014 8:45:40 GMT -6
If no one likes it, no big deal thats less work for me. I'm just trying to think of things to spice up the league since we've essentially been doing the same thing for almost 4 rl years now.
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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -6
You can do exhibition mode in the software between the prospects, poe ran it once or twice back in 1.0 but it was way too much hassle to do it on a yearly basis. Would require all the rooks to be made before hand, exported to a different file, make a new file and manually editing them into evenly matched teams then running exhibition games. But if you mean you writing fake scrimmage articles then changing some grades based on that, you can pretty much already do that anyway as draft master. All it will be is just you writing an article with fake scrimmages.That's exactly what I'm saying/asking if people would like. I'm not just going to do it and change grades if no one likes/wants the idea. I don't feel like thats my call to make on my own. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 17, 2014 9:14:05 GMT -6
We tried this in 2.0 and it busted pretty quickly We didn't do anything like that tbh We had a camp in which 3 different guys were rated in order of an attribute. It definitely happened in 2.0. Everyone absolutely hated it. |
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Post by Trofie on Jul 17, 2014 9:14:16 GMT -6
I'd enjoy it
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 17, 2014 9:22:13 GMT -6
i'd be for leaving some of the roookie ratings as ? marks, and revealing them at some point, maybe after the lotto.
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 8:54:03 GMT -6
so i've decided i'm going to do this this year. tankers don't freak out, none of the top 4 will be affected...or will they? kidding they won't. we'll see how it goes.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 19, 2014 9:36:08 GMT -6
Here is the year I did the combine in 2.0. I didn't bother going through the posts, but I do remember a ton of bitching from Ian about grades and what not.
the-mainboard.proboards.com/board/39/2013-mb-draft
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 9:43:15 GMT -6
Another thing we should look into should be the olympic circuit and offseason troubles for players. Like Maybe we can have someone get better if they do good (a + 1 or 2 to an attribute) if he does well in our fake olympics. Or we could do something like " Tony Parker has lost - 3 to his passing because he was hit in the eye with a bottle at a night club; or "Chris "Birdman" Anderson has been arrested for child porn". So he would get maybe a + 3 or so in Strength because all the pushups he would do in Jail, but might lose on Jumping because it would be hard to Jump in a small cell being his height. This offseason program could be ran at 1 or 2 peoples discretion. Thoughts? hahahahahahaahahhaha omg |
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 9:44:18 GMT -6
the big difference here is that entire grade sets aren't changing, just a grade here and there. i'll write an article with it explaining stuff etc.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 19, 2014 10:07:17 GMT -6
My concern is that you make some of these guys worse when teams have been operating under the assumption that this is what guys were going to be available in the draft.
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 10:09:39 GMT -6
the max that will happen would be a +/- 2 and it'll be on mid tier guys. im not trying to screw over anyone or make the depth of the class change by doing this.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 19, 2014 10:12:27 GMT -6
I'd rather leave as question marks them reveal their grades after camp.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 19, 2014 10:15:11 GMT -6
the max that will happen would be a +/- 2 and it'll be on mid tier guys. im not trying to screw over anyone or make the depth of the class change by doing this. it's just as someone with 5 picks in the first round, many of which are going to be late 1sts, there are certain guys I have been targeting with those picks. Changing their grades even a little bit is likely to shift them from being someone I would like to take to someone who is just blah. Do whatever you want, you are the draftmaster, just letting you know what pops into my head as someone who this will be affecting. |
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 10:18:35 GMT -6
in saying that you're assuming that they're getting worse. i'm only going to change like 5-7 total grades in the whole class.
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Post by dilworth on Jul 19, 2014 11:52:39 GMT -6
still not a fan
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 11:57:43 GMT -6
what difference does it make? i don't get the basis for any opposition to this. what would be different if the original grades/weights etc. were the ones they are now? it's well before the draft and changes nothing. there is no difference between having the changes posted today be in the original grades. i highly highly doubt anyone has changed the strategy of their franchise because kevin willis gained 7 pounds or tim mccormick went -1 outside.
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Post by dilworth on Jul 19, 2014 12:11:53 GMT -6
It makes the reveal of the profiles much less interesting to me. One of the highlights of tmbsl is seeing you post new profiles. Knowing that those grades can/will change makes the entire profile irrelevant to me until the pre-draft camp happens.
Also I see no reason for it to be a thing. There's no need.
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Post by Druce on Jul 19, 2014 12:40:28 GMT -6
well there is little to no activity in the profiles, there are currently 3 from this class that have double digit posts. is there a need to do it? no. it's just extra work for me, but is there a need for "the good the bad the ugly" no, there isn't a need for that either. the only real "need" in the league are grades and sims. the point is to make it a little bit more like real life. irl teams don't even know the draft class until declarations happen in like april/may there is also a lot that happens in pre-draft workouts as far as evaluating players. knowing what all the grades are seasons in advance itself is far fetched. maybe i'll do what soup suggested and have some grades be question marks until the camp or something of that nature. i also love the extreme nature of the statement "knowing those grades can/will change makes the entire profiles irrelevant to me until the camp" thats funny because exactly 2 players with profiles had any significant grade changes, 2 out of 10 so i guess that makes the other 8 irrelevant as well huh?
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Post by Odin on Jul 19, 2014 13:20:47 GMT -6
I like it because it allows me to voice concerns/opinions on grades and get them tweaked if needed.
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Post by dilworth on Jul 19, 2014 14:38:00 GMT -6
well there is little to no activity in the profiles, there are currently 3 from this class that have double digit posts. is there a need to do it? no. it's just extra work for me, but is there a need for "the good the bad the ugly" no, there isn't a need for that either. the only real "need" in the league are grades and sims. the point is to make it a little bit more like real life. irl teams don't even know the draft class until declarations happen in like april/may there is also a lot that happens in pre-draft workouts as far as evaluating players. knowing what all the grades are seasons in advance itself is far fetched. maybe i'll do what soup suggested and have some grades be question marks until the camp or something of that nature. i also love the extreme nature of the statement "knowing those grades can/will change makes the entire profiles irrelevant to me until the camp" thats funny because exactly 2 players with profiles had any significant grade changes, 2 out of 10 so i guess that makes the other 8 irrelevant as well huh? 1. You shouldn't judge interest in the profiles based on activity. I don't post much on them but I've clicked on all of them multiple times to look/analyze and I don't even have a pick this year. I love the profiles. As I said, it's one of my favorite parts of tmbsl and you're doing a really great job with them. 2. I like the question mark idea 3. My irrelevant comment was a hypothetical to you posting the future profiles with a pre-draft combine for those profiles coming at a later date. If I know the combine hasn't happened and I don't know who is going to improve/decline then I won't pay much attention to the profiles for that draft until the combine happens. Is that a huge deal? No, but it generally declines my interest in the draft for what I think is an unnecessary reason. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 19, 2014 16:06:09 GMT -6
All right, I'm just gonna say it. It seems like this is just an excuse for you to get +10 for being draftmaster instead of +5.
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Post by IanBoyd on Jul 19, 2014 16:13:14 GMT -6
He's already getting a +10 for being draft master.
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