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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:02:12 GMT -6
Also, in case it helps other civilians, I am hereby making my vote for Odin irrevocable even though it could save my skin to switch to TimPig. I acknowledge 20s logic, which I think is solid, for the TimPig vote. But I think where we have a logical reason to affirmatively believe a player is mafia, we shouldn't use the "least helpful" model to determine who is executed. i agree with Heebs second point this feels alot like the execution of BK: no real game benefits but just a shot at someone perceived to be annoying/not active enough and before anyone questions this, i said the same thing about just randomly going after BK last game and i was right (even if we won) I would rather take a shot at potential bigger target than get rid of random players Just to make sure 20s logic is not lost or overlooked, his point is that the town only gains information if people talk and share their ideas/thoughts. He is not voting for TimPig because he is annoying or because he doesn't like him. He is voting for him because, all things being equal (e.g., there is no credible/rational argument for another player), we should eliminate the player who would contribute the least to the town and has the same probability of being mafia as everyone else. |
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Post by Majic on Jun 7, 2017 13:06:08 GMT -6
i agree with Heebs second point this feels alot like the execution of BK: no real game benefits but just a shot at someone perceived to be annoying/not active enough and before anyone questions this, i said the same thing about just randomly going after BK last game and i was right (even if we won) I would rather take a shot at potential bigger target than get rid of random players Just to make sure 20s logic is not lost or overlooked, his point is that the town only gains information if people talk and share their ideas/thoughts. He is not voting for TimPig because he is annoying or because he doesn't like him. He is voting for him because, all things being equal (e.g., there is no credible/rational argument for another player), we should eliminate the player who would contribute the least to the town and has the same probability of being mafia as everyone else. i can understand that logic but i dont think i agree with it in my mind, if someone is mafia then they are more likely to participate as they have a vested interest in the game even if a person isnt active and we take them out for that reason and we are wrong, then we are guaranteed to lose 2 votes as the mafia can snipe one of us rather if we take a shot at someone that is a bigger potential threat then we at least stand a chance to get a good player out |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:06:53 GMT -6
I would argue that going after someone who we don't expect to participate that much in the thread is the smarter move. Active pariticpants will at least have a record in this thread and evidence for future vote deliberations I am totally OK with this. It's a very rational approach. The downside in this instance is that I may be killed if the vote is split. But I can live with that because it provides good information to the town. And it's only a matter of time until I admin kill myself anyways. I also think the list of people that vote for TimPig is going to provide a good starting list of "probable civilians" as a mafia member is almost certainly not going to follow 20s logic (because it is good logic and it would hurt the mafia to kill TimPig instead of me). |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 7, 2017 13:08:37 GMT -6
Also, in case it helps other civilians, I am hereby making my vote for Odin irrevocable even though it could save my skin to switch to TimPig. I acknowledge 20s logic, which I think is solid, for the TimPig vote. But I think where we have a logical reason to affirmatively believe a player is mafia, we shouldn't use the "least helpful" model to determine who is executed. i agree with Heebs second point this feels alot like the execution of BK: no real game benefits but just a shot at someone perceived to be annoying/not active enough and before anyone questions this, i said the same thing about just randomly going after BK last game and i was right (even if we won) I would rather take a shot at potential bigger target than get rid of random players What do you mean by bigger target? Do you mean most active and/or effective players? Because if that's what you mean, I think executing a "bigger" target could be a bigger blow to the civilians than to the mafia. The player can still contribute to the mafia chat, but they would then be completely unable to assist the civilians. |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:11:34 GMT -6
For the record and to help people that may in the future re-read my last post, here is the vote as of my post. I'd put money on 20s, eric, and soup being civilians. I'm MUCH less confident that Odin is mafia (although I think it is most likely). Fecta and SPL should be suspects at this point, SPL in particular because he made ad hominem attacks ("jedi mind tricks") against my rational for Odin instead of presenting a case for me.
3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL
3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup
2 Odin - herb simoin, Majic
1 JHB - Delap
1 Pete - Canes
1 Fecta - JHB
1 Billy King - gbg
1 20s - Taco
Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King
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Post by SPL on Jun 7, 2017 13:14:18 GMT -6
i agree with Heebs second point this feels alot like the execution of BK: no real game benefits but just a shot at someone perceived to be annoying/not active enough and before anyone questions this, i said the same thing about just randomly going after BK last game and i was right (even if we won) I would rather take a shot at potential bigger target than get rid of random players What do you mean by bigger target? Do you mean most active and/or effective players? Because if that's what you mean, I think executing a "bigger" target could be a bigger blow to the civilians than to the mafia. The player can still contribute to the mafia chat, but they would then be completely unable to assist the civilians. Think of it like chess. At times you have to sacrifice a piece to eliminate a bigger opponents pieces on the board. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jun 7, 2017 13:17:05 GMT -6
Majic's posts make no sense
Move him down to tier 3 as he will not be an asset to the town
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 7, 2017 13:17:28 GMT -6
What do you mean by bigger target? Do you mean most active and/or effective players? Because if that's what you mean, I think executing a "bigger" target could be a bigger blow to the civilians than to the mafia. The player can still contribute to the mafia chat, but they would then be completely unable to assist the civilians. Think of it like chess. At times you have to sacrifice a piece to eliminate a bigger opponents pieces on the board. Well, you don't want to sacrifice a queen to take a peon is what I'm implying. |
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Post by eric on Jun 7, 2017 13:18:58 GMT -6
What do you mean by bigger target? Do you mean most active and/or effective players? Because if that's what you mean, I think executing a "bigger" target could be a bigger blow to the civilians than to the mafia. The player can still contribute to the mafia chat, but they would then be completely unable to assist the civilians. Think of it like chess. At times you have to sacrifice a piece to eliminate a bigger opponents pieces on the board. Quoting this just to disagree with Herb Simon's analysis a little. I don't think spl makes bad arguments because he's mafia, I think he just makes bad arguments. <3 |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:19:03 GMT -6
Wait. Time out. Mafia game on hold.
Does GBG call pawns peons?
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 7, 2017 13:19:08 GMT -6
Just to make sure 20s logic is not lost or overlooked, his point is that the town only gains information if people talk and share their ideas/thoughts. He is not voting for TimPig because he is annoying or because he doesn't like him. He is voting for him because, all things being equal (e.g., there is no credible/rational argument for another player), we should eliminate the player who would contribute the least to the town and has the same probability of being mafia as everyone else. i can understand that logic but i dont think i agree with it in my mind, if someone is mafia then they are more likely to participate as they have a vested interest in the game even if a person isnt active and we take them out for that reason and we are wrong, then we are guaranteed to lose 2 votes as the mafia can snipe one of us rather if we take a shot at someone that is a bigger potential threat then we at least stand a chance to get a good player out disagree. someone who is mafia could easily want to float early in the game to avoid suspicion. IMO their only goal early is to keep the mafia alive and let us pick off our own to make their job easier. no need to put a target on your back this early when most people are guessing. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 7, 2017 13:19:56 GMT -6
Wait. Time out. Mafia game on hold. Does GBG call pawns peons? I need to know the answer to this |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:20:18 GMT -6
What do you mean by bigger target? Do you mean most active and/or effective players? Because if that's what you mean, I think executing a "bigger" target could be a bigger blow to the civilians than to the mafia. The player can still contribute to the mafia chat, but they would then be completely unable to assist the civilians. Think of it like chess. At times you have to sacrifice a piece to eliminate a bigger opponents pieces on the board. Would you be OK sacrificing your queen to take Andre the Giant's pawn? |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 7, 2017 13:21:06 GMT -6
Wait. Time out. Mafia game on hold. Does GBG call pawns peons? Would your prefer I call them serfs? |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 7, 2017 13:21:47 GMT -6
Sorry, when I think of chess, I think of the feudal system.
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Post by SPL on Jun 7, 2017 13:23:15 GMT -6
Think of it like chess. At times you have to sacrifice a piece to eliminate a bigger opponents pieces on the board. Would you be OK sacrificing your queen to take Andre the Giant's pawn? No but I would sacrifice a rook for a bishop or a knight for a queen. |
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Post by KwYawnza on Jun 7, 2017 13:24:16 GMT -6
I found Europe under the Ancien Regime to be some of my most boring classes in undergrad
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Post by Heebs on Jun 7, 2017 13:26:15 GMT -6
Would you be OK sacrificing your queen to take Andre the Giant's pawn? No but I would sacrifice a rook for a bishop or a knight for a queen. I know. I was just being very literal about the words you typed. |
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Post by Majic on Jun 7, 2017 13:30:10 GMT -6
6 pages deep and not even a single vote yet
whats the page in a day record?
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Post by Delap on Jun 7, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -6
vote change.
I now vote for odin
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Post by SPL on Jun 7, 2017 13:41:37 GMT -6
3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL
3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup
2 Odin - herb simoin, Majic, delap
1 Pete - Canes
1 Fecta - JHB
1 Billy King - gbg
1 20s - Taco
Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King
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Post by SPL on Jun 7, 2017 13:42:04 GMT -6
correction since I cannot edit
3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL
3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup
3 Odin - herb simoin, Majic, delap
1 Pete - Canes
1 Fecta - JHB
1 Billy King - gbg
1 20s - Taco
Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King
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Post by eric on Jun 7, 2017 13:45:16 GMT -6
the one post of mine that gets repeatedly quoted has a typo in it, feels bad man anyway there are now 3 votes for herb, billy king, and odin 3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL 3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup 3 Odin - herb simon, majic, delap 1 Pete - Canes 1 Fecta - JHB 1 Billy King - gbg 1 20s - Taco Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King 20s Navidad you mentioned concern that herb and odin were both mafia, with that in mind would you switch from billy king to odin. that keeps tier 1 herb in the game and hedges your bets. i would also switch to odin to make it a power move. |
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Post by Delap on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:29 GMT -6
POWER MOVE
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 7, 2017 13:47:53 GMT -6
the one post of mine that gets repeatedly quoted has a typo in it, feels bad man anyway there are now 3 votes for herb, billy king, and odin 3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL 3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup 3 Odin - herb simon, majic, delap 1 Pete - Canes 1 Fecta - JHB 1 Billy King - gbg 1 20s - Taco Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King 20s Navidad you mentioned concern that herb and odin were both mafia, with that in mind would you switch from billy king to odin. that keeps tier 1 herb in the game and hedges your bets. i would also switch to odin to make it a power move. Wtf going back on your deal with me? |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jun 7, 2017 13:50:51 GMT -6
the one post of mine that gets repeatedly quoted has a typo in it, feels bad man anyway there are now 3 votes for herb, billy king, and odin 3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL 3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup 3 Odin - herb simon, majic, delap 1 Pete - Canes 1 Fecta - JHB 1 Billy King - gbg 1 20s - Taco Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King 20s Navidad you mentioned concern that herb and odin were both mafia, with that in mind would you switch from billy king to odin. that keeps tier 1 herb in the game and hedges your bets. i would also switch to odin to make it a power move. No, I'll only switch from my take out a noob at random strategy if I see compelling evidence at this point. How strong herb is pushing someone as mafia this early just made me suspicious as I don't think anyone knows anything yet. its more of a word doc it and file the info away for later thing for me right now. I don't have enough to vote to take a veteran player (  ) like odin out yet. |
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Post by Odin on Jun 7, 2017 13:51:43 GMT -6
I will legitimately post my assignment pm proving i am civ.
Heebs first post itt was a trap to grt civs admin killed, which ank deleted (what happened to no deleting posts). Dont be idiots, I wouldnt be mafia two games in a row.
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Post by eric on Jun 7, 2017 13:53:39 GMT -6
the one post of mine that gets repeatedly quoted has a typo in it, feels bad man anyway there are now 3 votes for herb, billy king, and odin 3 Herb Simon - Odin, Fecta, SPL 3 TimPig - 20s, Eric, Soup 3 Odin - herb simon, majic, delap 1 Pete - Canes 1 Fecta - JHB 1 Billy King - gbg 1 20s - Taco Yet to vote: Pete, Yawn, TimPig, Billy King 20s Navidad you mentioned concern that herb and odin were both mafia, with that in mind would you switch from billy king to odin. that keeps tier 1 herb in the game and hedges your bets. i would also switch to odin to make it a power move. Wtf going back on your deal with me? i voted for you to prevent a runaway herb simon vote, and i stand by that reasoning i then said we should keep herb in the game, and i stand by that you said you would change votes if i did, and we both did that i did not say that we would stick by those votes come h#ck or high water, and i'll further say that such an interpretation of my act makes no sense given the previous points |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 7, 2017 13:53:43 GMT -6
I'm down to take out a potentially inactive player like tim pig. seems much more low risk than a blind shot at an active player who is analytical.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 7, 2017 13:54:22 GMT -6
I will legitimately post my assignment pm proving i am civ. Heebs first post itt was a trap to grt civs admin killed, which ank deleted (what happened to no deleting posts). Dont be idiots, I wouldnt be mafia two games in a row. what was the post then? |
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