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Post by TimPig on Jul 12, 2017 9:13:12 GMT -6
20s is normally killed night 1 because he's an elite player. He wasn't... There is nothing in the rules that the Mafia can't silence a Mafia member. "Silencer - a mafia member that chooses to silence one player at night. That player will only be able to make one post the next day only containing who he/she is voting for." If I was a mafia member this game I would definitely silence a Mafia night one to get the silenced Mafia to be considered certified civilian by the town. Except it's already been agreed that silencing does not equal certified civ in anyone's mind. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 9:15:30 GMT -6
20s is normally killed night 1 because he's an elite player. He wasn't... There is nothing in the rules that the Mafia can't silence a Mafia member. "Silencer - a mafia member that chooses to silence one player at night. That player will only be able to make one post the next day only containing who he/she is voting for." If I was a mafia member this game I would definitely silence a Mafia night one to get the silenced Mafia to be considered certified civilian by the town. I agree. Even if the mafia couldn't silence themselves, they could just silence no one and a mafia could pretend to be silenced. It's entirely possible 20s is mafia and trying to deceive us. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:15:31 GMT -6
Going off my previous idea that one of the following:
Canes
Odin
Fecta
GBG
Heebs
is Mafia because that vote for Rv made no sense...
Diving deeper into that
Fecta was also the first to vote for SPL. 20's jumped on with his silence vote to sway everyone to SPL.
SPL was on Fecta so imho there is a good chance that Fecta is Mafia.
Heebs is also on this list and GBG was also voted Rv and he brought up the silencer to everyone's attention.
Right now my top 4 targets for Mafia would be...
1) Fecta
2) 20s
3) Heebs
4) GBG
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:17:41 GMT -6
20s is normally killed night 1 because he's an elite player. He wasn't... There is nothing in the rules that the Mafia can't silence a Mafia member. "Silencer - a mafia member that chooses to silence one player at night. That player will only be able to make one post the next day only containing who he/she is voting for." If I was a mafia member this game I would definitely silence a Mafia night one to get the silenced Mafia to be considered certified civilian by the town. Except it's already been agreed that silencing does not equal certified civ in anyone's mind. Not everyone will think this. And even if they don't certify him as Civilian he's going to drop to the bottom of the target list. We as town people could be down 4 civilians at the end of this day. We need to hit on a Mafia and soon. So we just can't fall in line like sheep. |
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Post by SPL on Jul 12, 2017 9:17:48 GMT -6
20s is normally killed night 1 because he's an elite player. He wasn't... There is nothing in the rules that the Mafia can't silence a Mafia member. "Silencer - a mafia member that chooses to silence one player at night. That player will only be able to make one post the next day only containing who he/she is voting for." If I was a mafia member this game I would definitely silence a Mafia night one to get the silenced Mafia to be considered certified civilian by the town. Except it's already been agreed that silencing does not equal certified civ in anyone's mind. yet, you are following the silenced persons vote blindly.... |
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Post by Delap on Jul 12, 2017 9:18:09 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk
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Post by SPL on Jul 12, 2017 9:19:27 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk And if I am not and you lose something of importance? |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 9:22:54 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk at this point we are guessing. no harm in talking things out while we still can. the game changes each night so talking while we can is a good thing |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:24:35 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk My list could be bunk... but its an alternative. And we need ideas and conversations to come forward. I'm not saying don't trust 20s... But he can't explain his reasons to why he voted for SPL. If we don't vote SPL and go in a different direction it would allow 20s to dive deep into why he feels this way tomorrow and we can vote SPL next round. |
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Post by SPL on Jul 12, 2017 9:26:05 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk And if I am not and you lose something of importance? I am not saying that I am, I am a normal civ. was throwing a hypothetical at this point of the game I have as much odds of being a civ, cop, bodyguard or mafia member as anyone else. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 9:27:22 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk My list could be bunk... but its an alternative. And we need ideas and conversations to come forward. I'm not saying don't trust 20s... But he can't explain his reasons to why he voted for SPL. If we don't vote SPL and go in a different direction it would allow 20s to dive deep into why he feels this way tomorrow and we can vote SPL next round. this is the best point you have made so far. |
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Post by Delap on Jul 12, 2017 9:28:08 GMT -6
I still think heebs is worthy of suspicion, because I can't parse out whether it was regular animus or mafia animus that drove his voting last round
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Post by Delap on Jul 12, 2017 9:28:53 GMT -6
We hit the timer, right?
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 9:30:35 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk My list could be bunk... but its an alternative. And we need ideas and conversations to come forward. I'm not saying don't trust 20s... But he can't explain his reasons to why he voted for SPL. If we don't vote SPL and go in a different direction it would allow 20s to dive deep into why he feels this way tomorrow and we can vote SPL next round. 20s will get the opportunity regardless assuming the BG protects him. Maybe SPL is the barman and killing him today allows 20s another investigation tonight. Unless there is a better reason to vote for someone else, I'm riding with 20s here. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Jul 12, 2017 9:31:23 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk SPL could be mafia and it could still be a ploy to buy 20s credibility. Trust me when I say that sacrificing a mafia member early can pay dividends later in a game |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 9:33:18 GMT -6
I still think heebs is worthy of suspicion, because I can't parse out whether it was regular animus or mafia animus that drove his voting last round Minimal regular animus. If I am being 100 percent honest, if it were Buster or another former GM with a less baggage in TMBSL I'd probably have given it more thought. But ultimately I think culling deadwood is the best move round 1. A novice player is deadwood. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 9:33:53 GMT -6
But if SPL is mafia, your list is bunk SPL could be mafia and it could still be a ploy to buy 20s credibility. Trust me when I say that sacrificing a mafia member early can pay dividends later in a game I'd hope that the cop is either 20s or investigating 20s tonight. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 9:37:12 GMT -6
I don't think we hit the timer until soup shows up and says we hit the timer. so we have until he shows up to figure this out. I'm fine killing off spl now and im fine waiting until 20s explains himself before killing SPL next week. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:37:56 GMT -6
this narrative that 20s is also the cop and or should also be protected by the bodyguard is foolish.
There is zero reason to protect 20s.
The bodyguard should choose to protect someone else imho.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 9:38:33 GMT -6
SPL could be mafia and it could still be a ploy to buy 20s credibility. Trust me when I say that sacrificing a mafia member early can pay dividends later in a game I'd hope that the cop is either 20s or investigating 20s tonight. at minimum we need the bodyguard to protect 20s tonight so we can hear from him tomorrow |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 9:39:14 GMT -6
this narrative that 20s is also the cop and or should also be protected by the bodyguard is foolish. There is zero reason to protect 20s. The bodyguard should choose to protect someone else imho. 20s vote is causing a lot of early confusion. making sure we here from him is important imo. |
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Post by SPL on Jul 12, 2017 9:39:31 GMT -6
You also have to keep in mind that if 20s is the cop, it would be foolish for him to come forward this early with a barman, he will be hit with the barman each night and we will not get any investigations.
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 9:43:01 GMT -6
You also have to keep in mind that if 20s is the cop, it would be foolish for him to come forward this early with a barman, he will be hit with the barman each night and we will not get any investigations. If you ID a mafia night 1 with a BG and only 3 mafia, it is a no brainer to ID the mafia day 2. The bar man complicates that a little bit. But it's possible you are the bar man and it's back to being a no brainer. |
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Post by Delap on Jul 12, 2017 9:43:04 GMT -6
Bodyguard is probably competent and should protect who he wants to protect
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:43:36 GMT -6
what proof do we have that 20s is the cop?
There is nothing.
20s posted right after the question of who got silenced was posed.
He's big bold post was imho just him telling us he was the silenced member of the game. Nothing more.
The Mafia would've had the best luck in the world if they not only silenced a top player but also the cop.
I'm choosing to belive they didn't hit it that rich.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:44:16 GMT -6
this narrative that 20s is also the cop and or should also be protected by the bodyguard is foolish. There is zero reason to protect 20s. The bodyguard should choose to protect someone else imho. 20s vote is causing a lot of early confusion. making sure we here from him is important imo. You get more information by not protecting vs protecting him. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:46:52 GMT -6
You also have to keep in mind that if 20s is the cop, it would be foolish for him to come forward this early with a barman, he will be hit with the barman each night and we will not get any investigations. If you ID a mafia night 1 with a BG and only 3 mafia, it is a no brainer to ID the mafia day 2. The bar man complicates that a little bit. But it's possible you are the bar man and it's back to being a no brainer. having a barman means the cop should be silent as long as possible. Coming out early would only neutralize the Cop and make him useless for the town. IMHO the COP should only reveal himself in a critical point of the game down the road where the town is trully lost. Day 2 is not the time. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:57:29 GMT -6
Delap (1) - Duc
Heebs (3) - Bankz, SPL, Pete
SPL (8) - Fecta, 20, GBG, Tim, Odin, Heebs, Canes, Delap
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 9:58:45 GMT -6
OdinIf you feel the mafia could be heebs or SPL why not move your vote to Heebs. Between the two players SPL is more useful to the town.
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 10:02:43 GMT -6
I dont think heebs is mafia, i think spl, 20s, and gbg are. Heebs is just bad at town.
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