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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 9:56:35 GMT -6
If I protect Fecta and he targets Soup (assuming he is the veteran and on alert), would I save Fecta from dying?
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 9:58:12 GMT -6
Ok I am all caught up
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 9:58:33 GMT -6
Today doesn't end until 6 CST ??  |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 9:59:42 GMT -6
This plan is all still contingent on soup still having a night on alert left
Otherwise he just dies even if he is the vet
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 10:00:39 GMT -6
This plan is all still contingent on soup still having a night on alert left Otherwise he just dies even if he is the vet Then his role is still confirmed as is mine. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:00:42 GMT -6
If I protect Fecta and he targets Soup (assuming he is the veteran and on alert), would I save Fecta from dying? Could the mafia not just kill you to prevent this? we need to solidify this before a majority timer starts |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:02:28 GMT -6
This plan is all still contingent on soup still having a night on alert left Otherwise he just dies even if he is the vet Then his role is still confirmed as is mine. would Billy tell us that it was done by the vigilante? If you are mafia you could still target soup and you would still use bullets based on the last kill of TimPig |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:02:59 GMT -6
Potential problem. Just realized the Godfather is immune at night. if Soup is the godfather, then Fecta wouldn't be able to kill him at night. Although if Soup is the godfather, then we'll know he's not the veteran since Fecta didn't get shot up when targeting him.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:03:02 GMT -6
If we can't verify it was a vigilante kill that would not verify your role fecta
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 10:03:49 GMT -6
Yeah, im pretty sure 20s is mafia. He is taking some big leaps here.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 10:04:38 GMT -6
Potential problem. Just realized the Godfather is immune at night. if Soup is the godfather, then Fecta wouldn't be able to kill him at night. Although if Soup is the godfather, then we'll know he's not the veteran since Fecta didn't get shot up when targeting him. This is a legit potential problem.... |
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Post by SPL on Aug 8, 2017 10:05:30 GMT -6
I have no problem with my death tonight, I think my death proves 1 of Fecta or Soup have lied about their role. Then we have someone assuming a power role that was cleaned
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:06:03 GMT -6
Ok playing it out:
IF SPL is town AND If fecta is vigilante AND soup is veteran on alert and fecta dies, the game is over if the mafia takes out one of the other Civs, right?
We would lose 3 today in SPL, fecta, 3rd civ and it would be 2-2
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 10:06:12 GMT -6
I have no problem with my death tonight, I think my death proves 1 of Fecta or Soup have lied about their role. Then we have someone assuming a power role that was cleaned How would your death prove anything about me ? |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:06:58 GMT -6
If I protect Fecta and he targets Soup (assuming he is the veteran and on alert), would I save Fecta from dying? Could the mafia not just kill you to prevent this? we need to solidify this before a majority timer starts If mafia kills me, we'd be looking at: JHB GBG Fecta or Soup 20s That would leave 3 roles I would feel comfortable are confirmed |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:07:42 GMT -6
Yeah, im pretty sure 20s is mafia. He is taking some big leaps here. Please provide evidence. I am fleshing out all the possibilities of what roles could actually be and what would happen with our proposed actions. Nothing that isn't verified is a big leap at this point. GTFO |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:08:25 GMT -6
Ok playing it out: IF SPL is town AND If fecta is vigilante AND soup is veteran on alert and fecta dies, the game is over if the mafia takes out one of the other Civs, right? We would lose 3 today in SPL, fecta, 3rd civ and it would be 2-2 As I mentioned, that would mean the remaining mafia is you and JHB. I don't think JHB is mafia |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:11:29 GMT -6
Yeah, im pretty sure 20s is mafia. He is taking some big leaps here. Can you provide a counterpoint to the scenario I proposed? It is possible that you could kill soup tonight as mafia and that wouldn't verify you as vigilante. You are the one trying to push that would verify you as a civ. That seems like more of taking a leap unless you can show how it would actually verify you. Give me the counterpoint showing how it truly verifies you or you are just trying to throw suspicion my way i was not attacking you with that post or saying that if you kill soup it means you are mafia - you could obviously do that as vigilante too. I was just saying we might not have it verified that you are vigilante like you were claiming. I am just trying to think everything out |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:12:11 GMT -6
Ok playing it out: IF SPL is town AND If fecta is vigilante AND soup is veteran on alert and fecta dies, the game is over if the mafia takes out one of the other Civs, right? We would lose 3 today in SPL, fecta, 3rd civ and it would be 2-2 As I mentioned, that would mean the remaining mafia is you and JHB. I don't think JHB is mafia And if I am the 3rd civ that is killed? |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:13:51 GMT -6
Ok playing it out: IF SPL is town AND If fecta is vigilante AND soup is veteran on alert and fecta dies, the game is over if the mafia takes out one of the other Civs, right? We would lose 3 today in SPL, fecta, 3rd civ and it would be 2-2 As I mentioned, that would mean the remaining mafia is you and JHB. I don't think JHB is mafia Oh I see what you were saying. That only happens IF JHB and I are the two mafia and with JHB basically being verified, it wouldn't happen. But couldn't JHB be the civ that the mafia kills at night? I think it can happen without JHB being in the mafia |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 8, 2017 10:13:58 GMT -6
Yeah, im pretty sure 20s is mafia. He is taking some big leaps here. Can you provide a counterpoint to the scenario I proposed? It is possible that you could kill soup tonight as mafia and that wouldn't verify you as vigilante. You are the one trying to push that would verify you as a civ. That seems like more of taking a leap unless you can show how it would actually verify you. Give me the counterpoint showing how it truly verifies you or you are just trying to throw suspicion my way i was not attacking you with that post or saying that if you kill soup it means you are mafia - you could obviously do that as vigilante too. I was just saying we might not have it verified that you are vigilante like you were claiming. I am just trying to think everything out It just seemed to me that you are looking for any little reason to discredit my role as a civ including scenarios with very little probability. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 8, 2017 10:14:21 GMT -6
Here is what we do:
Lynch spl
Pete saves GBG of me. Don't specify
GBG flips Pete with 20s so that way if 20s is godfather then they can't hit Pete
I stay unprotected and investigate Pete so I take a ride and find out 20s' role
Fecta hits soup
Soup goes on alert
I think the only way it doesn't work is if soup and fecta are both mafia and correctly guess who is unprotected
Let me know if this has any holes
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:15:07 GMT -6
I am talking myself in circles at this point.
It seems like there isn't a foolproof play at this point that guarantees 100% success, but this one gives us a pretty good shot.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:16:54 GMT -6
If SOup is veteran but has no more alerts left, and fecta is mafia, they could choose to go after Soup.
We'd be looking at:
Pete
JHB
GBG
20s
Fecta
In that case we vote 20s and Fecta
If Fecta is vigilante and Soup is janitor, they could go after him and it will look like a veteran kill.
We'd be left with:
Pete
JHB
GBG
20s
Soup
20s and Soup are mafia;
If they chose to go after me, we'd be looking at:
JHB
GBG
whoever is left standing of Fecta and Soup
20s
20s is last remaining mafia
If Soup is godfather and they go after me, we're left w/:
JHB
GBG
Fecta (who will know he was unsuccessful)
Soup
20s
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 8, 2017 10:17:36 GMT -6
This one being Pete's, I haven't thought through JHB's yet
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:24:40 GMT -6
Here is what we do: Lynch spl Pete saves GBG of me. Don't specify GBG flips Pete with 20s so that way if 20s is godfather then they can't hit Pete I stay unprotected and investigate Pete so I take a ride and find out 20s' role Fecta hits soup Soup goes on alert I think the only way it doesn't work is if soup and fecta are both mafia and correctly guess who is unprotected Let me know if this has any holes If 20s is godfather, he can't hit himself in that scenario, right? |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 8, 2017 10:25:45 GMT -6
Here is what we do: Lynch spl Pete saves GBG of me. Don't specify GBG flips Pete with 20s so that way if 20s is godfather then they can't hit Pete I stay unprotected and investigate Pete so I take a ride and find out 20s' role Fecta hits soup Soup goes on alert I think the only way it doesn't work is if soup and fecta are both mafia and correctly guess who is unprotected Let me know if this has any holes If 20s is godfather, he can't hit himself in that scenario, right? He'd be "run over by the bus" |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:40:59 GMT -6
If I protect JHB in that scenario, I think we should be good. This depends on the bus driver switching people before the mafia kill happens. Kill SPL today, then:
Pete protects JHB
GBG switches Pete and 20s
JHB investigates Pete (resulting in intel on 20s)
Fecta attacks Soup
Soup goes on alert
We're left w/
JHB
GBG or Pete
Pete or 20s (with intel)
Fecta and/or SPL
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:41:23 GMT -6
sorry, that last line should read Fecta and/or Soup
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 8, 2017 10:49:45 GMT -6
I think the only way we lose this is if JHB is mafia. In that case, leading the charge against RV was one hell of a called shot
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