Mafia 14 post mortem (698 views)

[Odin]

this game: my 2nd worst meltdown in mafia.

what was my role? vanilla civ

[[Account Deleted]]

Lol called it

[Souper Troopers]

Aug 15, 2017 16:35:21 GMT -6 Odin said:

Aug 15, 2017 16:33:47 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

Don't remember verbatim but you said you aren't active unless you're mafia or power civ.

for the love of god soup, that was the first few games until i realized it was getting me killed. i have since been absurdly active regardless of my role.

i have made it perfectly clear that is no longer my approach to the game and i'm confident you are the only one who still thinks that's how i play.

Aug 15, 2017 16:31:08 GMT -6 Odin said:

Aug 15, 2017 16:26:39 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

I didn't vote for you.

not this time.

but i'm always killed because of how i act, not because of anything substantial.

Was just responding to that.

[Odin]

actually, canes first game i was vanilla civ too.


yeah, it's so obvious i don't care about the game when i'm vanilla civ. so obvious. ever thought i act this way because i care too much and just want to play the fucking game?

[Bankz]

Odin you don't think your words in this game had any impact as to why half the thread votes you off? Iirc only one mafia member had voted for you and that was me.

[Bankz]

Aug 15, 2017 16:22:49 GMT -6 Delap said:

Aug 15, 2017 16:18:48 GMT -6 Bankz said:

We were on a roll. Outside of GBG no one was sniffing Fecta and I..

Delap hit on GBG and Fecta with his visits to close the game out on back to back nights it forced us to choose roles we never had a job of being convincing.

Had there been no Yoda we stood a chance on my hail marry. There was no chance if we both went vanilla Civ.

I still don't think you know how Leia works.

I was never told roles.  I figured out GBG through logic. 

I'm talking about the impact it had on us limiting the information you guys could get. Not being able to silence people who were vocal and figuring is out is bad. Not being able to frame Tim the night Soup investigated him gave you correct information that confirmed him Civ. Vs painting him as a mafia member.

[Delap]

What can I say? I use my body well.

[eric]

big shoutout to Citizen Cane, way to rally and finish the game off. hope everything's going as well as it can in real life

fecta i love you brother but "princess Amanadlia" REALLY??? i don't know if Danny Amendola saved your fantasy foosball one year or what but yikes

and for the love of god, it's BOBA you mongrels. B-O-B-A FETT. i'm glad i don't know anything about GoT so i will be much less incensed by the next game

i was really worried for the town when 20s and pete both went down. way to pull it out though. i think you would have had it even without yoda.

Aug 15, 2017 16:19:45 GMT -6 Odin said:

Not ony that, they are highly volatile.

[Odin]

Aug 15, 2017 17:05:51 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Odin you don't think your words in this game had any impact as to why half the thread votes you off? Iirc only one mafia member had voted for you and that was me.

gbg voted for me. that's two. i had 4 votes. that's considerably less than half the thread. but if hyperbole helps you rationalize awful logic then by all means, half the thread voted for me.

Aug 14, 2017 13:15:21 GMT -6 Odin said:

because i want someone to die and i prefer it's gbg or jhb

it's day 1, i don't need a reason. anyone with an actual reason for their vote day 1 is full of shit and probably maf

this post does not scream mafia. it screams logic. i don't sit around in the thread on day 1 going "you're mafia" "nuh uh, you're mafia" "no, you're mafia" like you guys do.

until we start some games at night there will never be anything even remotely close to evidence backing a day 1 vote. so everyone is kind of just doing random shit. no reason to kill me because i'm the only one who doesn't vote based on rng or nothing at all.

if you would take the time to notice, i change my vote at the last minute about 90% of the time. my votes are always to get a reaction from the person i'm voting for.

which is more than can be said for most. i have a reason. you guys just get suspicious based on nothing. i don't believe shit i don't see, so until i see evidence of someone being maf i'm going to vote for the people i think are the biggest threats as maf while also being the least useful as town.

[Bankz]

Aug 15, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -6 Odin said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:05:51 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Odin you don't think your words in this game had any impact as to why half the thread votes you off? Iirc only one mafia member had voted for you and that was me.

gbg voted for me. that's two. i had 4 votes. that's considerably less than half the thread. but if hyperbole helps you rationalize awful logic then by all means, half the thread voted for me.

Aug 14, 2017 13:15:21 GMT -6 Odin said:

because i want someone to die and i prefer it's gbg or jhb

it's day 1, i don't need a reason. anyone with an actual reason for their vote day 1 is full of shit and probably maf

this post does not scream mafia. it screams logic. i don't sit around in the thread on day 1 going "you're mafia" "nuh uh, you're mafia" "no, you're mafia" like you guys do.

until we start some games at night there will never be anything even remotely close to evidence backing a day 1 vote. so everyone is kind of just doing random shit. no reason to kill me because i'm the only one who doesn't vote based on rng or nothing at all.

if you would take the time to notice, i change my vote at the last minute about 90% of the time. my votes are always to get a reaction from the person i'm voting for.

which is more than can be said for most. i have a reason. you guys just get suspicious based on nothing. i don't believe shit i don't see, so until i see evidence of someone being maf i'm going to vote for the people i think are the biggest threats as maf while also being the least useful as town.

It's not awful logic for me. I'm a member of Mafia and it looked like GBG might go down. You making post that seemed reckless was easy to capilitze on.

[Bankz]

When Soup was silenced the Mafia were discussing having Fecta come out as the Cop.

Curious how the game unfolds if that happened.

[Odin]

Aug 15, 2017 17:28:10 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -6 Odin said:

gbg voted for me. that's two. i had 4 votes. that's considerably less than half the thread. but if hyperbole helps you rationalize awful logic then by all means, half the thread voted for me.


this post does not scream mafia. it screams logic. i don't sit around in the thread on day 1 going "you're mafia" "nuh uh, you're mafia" "no, you're mafia" like you guys do.

until we start some games at night there will never be anything even remotely close to evidence backing a day 1 vote. so everyone is kind of just doing random shit. no reason to kill me because i'm the only one who doesn't vote based on rng or nothing at all.

if you would take the time to notice, i change my vote at the last minute about 90% of the time. my votes are always to get a reaction from the person i'm voting for.

which is more than can be said for most. i have a reason. you guys just get suspicious based on nothing. i don't believe shit i don't see, so until i see evidence of someone being maf i'm going to vote for the people i think are the biggest threats as maf while also being the least useful as town.

It's not awful logic for me. I'm a member of Mafia and it looked like GBG might go down. You making post that seemed reckless was easy to capilitze on.

yeah, i 100% understand why you voted for me

[[Account Deleted]]

Aug 15, 2017 17:30:19 GMT -6 Bankz said:

When Soup was silenced the Mafia were discussing having Fecta come out as the Cop.

Curious how the game unfolds if that happened.

How soon? I thought it was pretty clear when he voted that he was the cop since he was silenced and voted early and no cop came out

[Bankz]

Aug 15, 2017 17:31:45 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:30:19 GMT -6 Bankz said:

When Soup was silenced the Mafia were discussing having Fecta come out as the Cop.

Curious how the game unfolds if that happened.

How soon? I thought it was pretty clear when he voted that he was the cop since he was silenced and voted early and no cop came out

Right at the start I suggested it. Before Delap, Tim and You guys got going on roles.

We were going to come out and claim Fecta was the cop that way we controlled the roles and anyone chiming in after would look terrible.

The plan was for him to share his info to make Soup look like a mafia member. have the town vote him off and we make the final kill to win he game. I really felt we had to go for the kill that round.

At the end as a group we kinda felt everything was going great for us that we didn't need to roll the dice.

[Bankz]

We then shifted to have you guys no execute. Figured get one that night, GBG dies the next day, we kill one that night and the following night the town would have no leads.

Except Soup was able to share his info via Yoda and we couldn't silence Either. So Delap was able to certify... Delap really killed us lol

[[Account Deleted]]

Aug 15, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -6 Bankz said:

We then shifted to have you guys no execute. Figured get one that night, GBG dies the next day, we kill one that night and the following night the town would have no leads.

Except Soup was able to share his info via Yoda and we couldn't silence Either. So Delap was able to certify... Delap really killed us lol

Yeah but with two people adamantly claiming to be civs, the Yoda thing should have been pretty obvious to you guys since you knew Tim and I weren't maf. And at that point, before GBG was killed I had posted this.

Aug 15, 2017 12:13:48 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

Updated based on new info from Delap

Yoda Situation

Jedi
Luke Skywalker/Cop - Soup
Obi-Wan/Bodyguard - 20s
Town Random - Pete (Han Solo)
Town Random - Delap (Princess Leia)
Vanilla Reb - TimPig
Vanilla Reb - SPL
Vanilla Reb - BK
Vanilla Reb - Odin
Vanilla Reb - JHB

Sith (Silencer) - GBG
Sith (Godfather) - Fecta
Sith - Bankz

[Souper Troopers]

Aug 15, 2017 17:31:45 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:30:19 GMT -6 Bankz said:

When Soup was silenced the Mafia were discussing having Fecta come out as the Cop.

Curious how the game unfolds if that happened.

How soon? I thought it was pretty clear when he voted that he was the cop since he was silenced and voted early and no cop came out

Not sure I buy this. The vote swung to no vote. I was so frustrated because I was trying to do exactly what you're explaining.

[[Account Deleted]]

Aug 15, 2017 17:58:13 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:31:45 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

How soon? I thought it was pretty clear when he voted that he was the cop since he was silenced and voted early and no cop came out

Not sure I buy this. The vote swung to no vote. I was so frustrated because I was trying to do exactly what you're explaining.

I was pretty sure you were cop but I didn't want to come out and say it at first and blow up your spot until Bankz did later and while I was confident you had investigated and found out he was maf, I was worried about the possibility of a Framer since we absolutely had to get it right so I backed off. I had some moments where I wavered at the end because I was pretty sure you were right but I decided to play it safe ultimately.

[[Account Deleted]]

GBG had said before I have a tendency of overstating things to the detriment of the town so I felt like it probably was a bad play to put you out as cop since no one else seemed to get it or want to say it (until I think Bankz mentioned it later and then I thought it was important to say it so you could be protected).

[Souper Troopers]

Aug 15, 2017 18:05:58 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

GBG had said before I have a tendency of overstating things to the detriment of the town so I felt like it probably was a bad play to put you out as cop since no one else seemed to get it or want to say it (until I think Bankz mentioned it later and then I thought it was important to say it so you could be protected).

This is where I was getting at in the game I ultimately flipped.

[Bankz]

got to love when a non factor try's to portray himself as a power

[20s Navidad]

Aug 15, 2017 18:05:58 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

GBG had said before I have a tendency of overstating things to the detriment of the town so I felt like it probably was a bad play to put you out as cop since no one else seemed to get it or want to say it (until I think Bankz mentioned it later and then I thought it was important to say it so you could be protected).

I knew he was cop and I was the BG. Not everything needs to be explicitly stated. It can be to our advantage if the mafia is unaware. 

i also was going to claim to be the cop and ask for BG protection since I knew it was soup and he was silenced. 

Then I wouldn't be targeted by the mafia and could stick around or take out a mafia that night. But once soup had basically been outed I was kind of out of luck. 

[20s Navidad]

Aug 15, 2017 17:38:01 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:31:45 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

How soon? I thought it was pretty clear when he voted that he was the cop since he was silenced and voted early and no cop came out

Right at the start I suggested it. Before Delap, Tim and You guys got going on roles.

We were going to come out and claim Fecta was the cop that way we controlled the roles and anyone chiming in after would look terrible.

The plan was for him to share his info to make Soup look like a mafia member. have the town vote him off and we make the final kill to win he game. I really felt we had to go for the kill that round.

At the end as a group we kinda felt everything was going great for us that we didn't need to roll the dice.

This would have been a way better play for you guys. 

Sitting back and not claiming roles made it crystal clear when things started to come together. 

[eric]

Aug 15, 2017 18:55:51 GMT -6 20s Navidad said:

Aug 15, 2017 18:05:58 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

GBG had said before I have a tendency of overstating things to the detriment of the town so I felt like it probably was a bad play to put you out as cop since no one else seemed to get it or want to say it (until I think Bankz mentioned it later and then I thought it was important to say it so you could be protected).

I knew he was cop and I was the BG. Not everything needs to be explicitly stated. It can be to our advantage if the mafia is unaware. 

i also was going to claim to be the cop and ask for BG protection since I knew it was soup and he was silenced. 

Then I wouldn't be targeted by the mafia and could stick around or take out a mafia that night. But once soup had basically been outed I was kind of out of luck. 

asking for BG protection as the BG is an underused move imo

this does not mean you when you aren't the BG Heebs

[[Account Deleted]]

Aug 15, 2017 18:28:03 GMT -6 Bankz said:

got to love when a non factor try's to portray himself as a power

Lol

im just saying it's not like you guys were in the clear. The walls were closing in on you.

[gbgalla24]

Aug 15, 2017 16:20:55 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

I know delap blocked the deceiver role on tim.
Which other one did he block?

The blocked deceiver was what really screwed us over, because had you gotten your investigation back saying Tim was mafia and relayed that using Yoda I think it is game over.  He blocked me on silencer.  I was going to silence Delap, iirc, for day 4.  I thought about faking being silenced again; so Delap would think I'm not the silencer, but I was going to die no matter what.  I figured I might try to lead you guys down the path of worrying about the framer, but nobody really was picking up what I was putting down at that point.

[gbgalla24]

Aug 15, 2017 16:32:01 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

Aug 15, 2017 16:31:08 GMT -6 Odin said:

not this time.

but i'm always killed because of how i act, not because of anything substantial. so, like, just get passed it dudes. i am who i am. i don't hurt the town. i'm pretty good at maf hunting. no reason to kill me because of how i will react after i die.

Not always because of how you act but because of what you say.

Really, Odin, if you would have explained in the game thread that you think JHB and GBG are dangerous as mafia and meh at town and that's why you want to eliminate one or both of them early there would have been no late swing of votes towards you.

[gbgalla24]

Aug 15, 2017 16:40:38 GMT -6 Odin said:

actually, canes first game i was vanilla civ too.


yeah, it's so obvious i don't care about the game when i'm vanilla civ. so obvious. ever thought i act this way because i care too much and just want to play the fucking game?

You melted down a little bit when I bus drivered  you to get you killed while you were the mayor, too.

[gbgalla24]

Aug 15, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -6 Odin said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:05:51 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Odin you don't think your words in this game had any impact as to why half the thread votes you off? Iirc only one mafia member had voted for you and that was me.

gbg voted for me. that's two. i had 4 votes. that's considerably less than half the thread. but if hyperbole helps you rationalize awful logic then by all means, half the thread voted for me.

Aug 14, 2017 13:15:21 GMT -6 Odin said:

because i want someone to die and i prefer it's gbg or jhb

it's day 1, i don't need a reason. anyone with an actual reason for their vote day 1 is full of shit and probably maf

this post does not scream mafia. it screams logic. i don't sit around in the thread on day 1 going "you're mafia" "nuh uh, you're mafia" "no, you're mafia" like you guys do.

until we start some games at night there will never be anything even remotely close to evidence backing a day 1 vote. so everyone is kind of just doing random shit. no reason to kill me because i'm the only one who doesn't vote based on rng or nothing at all.

if you would take the time to notice, i change my vote at the last minute about 90% of the time. my votes are always to get a reaction from the person i'm voting for.

which is more than can be said for most. i have a reason. you guys just get suspicious based on nothing. i don't believe shit i don't see, so until i see evidence of someone being maf i'm going to vote for the people i think are the biggest threats as maf while also being the least useful as town.

My vote was the last to swing is what he is saying.  20's and Delap voted for you because you didn't explain your logic.  You just said you wanted to kill me or JHB.

[gbgalla24]

Aug 15, 2017 17:49:51 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

Aug 15, 2017 17:41:36 GMT -6 Bankz said:

We then shifted to have you guys no execute. Figured get one that night, GBG dies the next day, we kill one that night and the following night the town would have no leads.

Except Soup was able to share his info via Yoda and we couldn't silence Either. So Delap was able to certify... Delap really killed us lol

Yeah but with two people adamantly claiming to be civs, the Yoda thing should have been pretty obvious to you guys since you knew Tim and I weren't maf. And at that point, before GBG was killed I had posted this.

Aug 15, 2017 12:13:48 GMT -6 [Account Deleted] said:

Updated based on new info from Delap

Yoda Situation

Jedi
Luke Skywalker/Cop - Soup
Obi-Wan/Bodyguard - 20s
Town Random - Pete (Han Solo)
Town Random - Delap (Princess Leia)
Vanilla Reb - TimPig
Vanilla Reb - SPL
Vanilla Reb - BK
Vanilla Reb - Odin
Vanilla Reb - JHB

Sith (Silencer) - GBG
Sith (Godfather) - Fecta
Sith - Bankz

I still think we could have played you and Tim against each other after you were both being pretty accusatory of the other.