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Post by Druce on Sept 29, 2017 5:55:54 GMT -6
Why wouldn't fecta have taken his shot at me when that was the plan JHB, known civ, laid out? Makes no sense to me. That is what makes me think he might not actually have shots. The only "verification" we had that fecta was a sniper was druce confirming it via his investigations. Well it seems druce is mafia so he could have been trying to clear fecta with a bogus investigation result. Fecta's other supposed shot was at delap who the mafia might have known was MM based on a failed hit attempt. Exactly. Which is why he is one of my 2 options for the final mafia. Explain this for me. What logic is there for Jhb to bus two random people instead of himself or me? There is none. He's not that dumb and all he would do is risk fucking up my last investigation You keep speaking in absolutes as if you're confirmed cop and everyone knows it. Did you think maybe JHB was trying to draw people out because he wasn't sure who to trust? Meanwhile everyone is buying your shit and now heebs is backing you because you've got town right where you want us, tim, gbg, and spl are barely checking the thread, 20s and pete are on your side basically. Earlier as we were calling out the inactives, you went after RV and paid no mind to tim. Perhaps tim is letting yourself and heebs do the leg work while everyone else tries to figure out wtf is going on. I've already pointed out that JHB's "plan" wasn't executed at all. Fecta didn't shoot 20s, what makes you so certain that his actual plan was to bus himself and you? It's certainly possible he wasn't sure who to believe from either of us and was hoping the mafia would kill one or the other thus confirming whoever was left. |
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Post by Heebs on Sept 29, 2017 7:16:53 GMT -6
I have a busy morning and am honestly not following the potential 20s explanation. I will try to figure it out once my calls end at 11:30. It's unlikely I get through it all before the day ends, so for now I'm sticking with Druce because I know he is lying about his investigation of me. If he is revealed as the dirty cop, that would go a long ways to confirming Canes story that he is the cop and Druce tried to recruit him.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 7:18:37 GMT -6
Exactly. Which is why he is one of my 2 options for the final mafia. Explain this for me. What logic is there for Jhb to bus two random people instead of himself or me? There is none. He's not that dumb and all he would do is risk fucking up my last investigation You keep speaking in absolutes as if you're confirmed cop and everyone knows it. Did you think maybe JHB was trying to draw people out because he wasn't sure who to trust? Meanwhile everyone is buying your shit and now heebs is backing you because you've got town right where you want us, tim, gbg, and spl are barely checking the thread, 20s and pete are on your side basically. Earlier as we were calling out the inactives, you went after RV and paid no mind to tim. Perhaps tim is letting yourself and heebs do the leg work while everyone else tries to figure out wtf is going on. I've already pointed out that JHB's "plan" wasn't executed at all. Fecta didn't shoot 20s, what makes you so certain that his actual plan was to bus himself and you? It's certainly possible he wasn't sure who to believe from either of us and was hoping the mafia would kill one or the other thus confirming whoever was left. thanks for this post. now I am convinced 20s was not framed. @aheebrewtoo @timpig make sure that skank dies tomorrow |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 7:27:02 GMT -6
Checking in. I have 3+ pages to catch up on, but I'll get to work on it now.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 7:32:51 GMT -6
In response to a text asking whether an investigation of the lawyer shows vanilla civ soup said he's not answering basic questions. Based on the description of the roles, a cop (and presumably a dirty cop)'s investigation returns the role. My role is lawyer and not vanilla civ. I see no way Druce got the wrong investigation. Therefore Druce is lying. #vote I'm sure it's been covered already, but Heebs was one of the very first people to come forward with his role, and he didn't pick something that was unverifiable, or so important we couldn't dare vote him off. He picked a role that he didn't want to use because it could be detrimental to the town. There is no way I was bussed with Heebs; so Druce's scenario he laid out seems like BS. #vote Druce unless there is some crazy revelation in the next couple of pages. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Sept 29, 2017 7:33:54 GMT -6
Looks like there’still some good convo going. We will take it all the way to the deadline then.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 29, 2017 7:35:18 GMT -6
Reluctantly going with Druce
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 7:37:12 GMT -6
ok. brain dump time because this is my last day. I investigated 20s again last night. I wanted to confirm that there wasn't a framer and because I am convinced the final mafia is the godfather, I figured it wasn't worth unveiling another alleged vanilla civ. Druce is 100% the dirty cop. So 20s is the prostitute. time to kill that skank ass. If he really is the escort and the final mafia is the framer, then more power to them and GG. but I am convinced these two are both dirty fucks. So tonight kill 20s. At this point there is no more damage druce can do. I will die tonight bringing the numbers to 5-2 next night kill druce. They will kill one of the remaining town. bringing the numbers to 4-1 Now I am 99.9% sure the remaining mafia is either fecta or GBG. you have enough chances to kill both of them and still win the game. Here is why I am sure it is one of these two. GBG: It's simple. I investigated him and he came back vanilla civ. Fecta took a shot at him and "missed" which would make sense because the godfather is night immune. Also, gbg claims to have been bussed but nobody else is stepping up and claiming to have been bussed. I WAS NOT BUSSED LAST NIGHT. I don't think JHB bussed himself with GBG because that would mean the mafia took a shot at GBG hoping to hit me. that is not sound strategy especially if they know the last mafia is the godfather and can't be found by me. Fecta: He claimed to take two shots and had both miss. This seems odd. I think 20s roleblocked delap on on night 1 and night 3 which told them that delap was the MM. fecta as the final mafia took a shot at claiming sniper whose shot at delap missed. This told the town to take out delap which was a benefit to both the town and mafia. Then last night he was supposedly role blocked by 20s yet he was able to take a shot at gbg that failed. This is obviously a little fishy because you would think they would communicate better if 20s and fecta were in cahoots. It easily could be a slip of the tongue that they are trying to cover up now but he's easily my #2 target. So in conclusion. Kill 20s today. kill druce tomorrow. day after that, take out GBG. if GBG is vanilla civ, take out fecta. If the last mafia is pete or heebs, gg mafia Why would somebody come forward as the other bus rider if it's going to confirm that they're the godfather? You serious, Clark? |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 7:42:57 GMT -6
ok. brain dump time because this is my last day. I investigated 20s again last night. I wanted to confirm that there wasn't a framer and because I am convinced the final mafia is the godfather, I figured it wasn't worth unveiling another alleged vanilla civ. Druce is 100% the dirty cop. So 20s is the prostitute. time to kill that skank ass. If he really is the escort and the final mafia is the framer, then more power to them and GG. but I am convinced these two are both dirty fucks. So tonight kill 20s. At this point there is no more damage druce can do. I will die tonight bringing the numbers to 5-2 next night kill druce. They will kill one of the remaining town. bringing the numbers to 4-1 Now I am 99.9% sure the remaining mafia is either fecta or GBG. you have enough chances to kill both of them and still win the game. Here is why I am sure it is one of these two. GBG: It's simple. I investigated him and he came back vanilla civ. Fecta took a shot at him and "missed" which would make sense because the godfather is night immune. Also, gbg claims to have been bussed but nobody else is stepping up and claiming to have been bussed. I WAS NOT BUSSED LAST NIGHT. I don't think JHB bussed himself with GBG because that would mean the mafia took a shot at GBG hoping to hit me. that is not sound strategy especially if they know the last mafia is the godfather and can't be found by me. Fecta: He claimed to take two shots and had both miss. This seems odd. I think 20s roleblocked delap on on night 1 and night 3 which told them that delap was the MM. fecta as the final mafia took a shot at claiming sniper whose shot at delap missed. This told the town to take out delap which was a benefit to both the town and mafia. Then last night he was supposedly role blocked by 20s yet he was able to take a shot at gbg that failed. This is obviously a little fishy because you would think they would communicate better if 20s and fecta were in cahoots. It easily could be a slip of the tongue that they are trying to cover up now but he's easily my #2 target. So in conclusion. Kill 20s today. kill druce tomorrow. day after that, take out GBG. if GBG is vanilla civ, take out fecta. If the last mafia is pete or heebs, gg mafia Why would somebody come forward as the other bus rider if it's going to confirm that they're the godfather? You serious, Clark? nobody else came forward. therefore, the only option is that jhb bussed himself with you and the mafia took a shot at you hoping to hit one of me or jhb. I find that highly unlikely. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 7:46:42 GMT -6
Why would somebody come forward as the other bus rider if it's going to confirm that they're the godfather? You serious, Clark? nobody else came forward. therefore, the only option is that jhb bussed himself with you and the mafia took a shot at you hoping to hit one of me or jhb. I find that highly unlikely. Or that the other person bussed was mafia (godfather) who isn't coming forward because this is making everyone target gbg and it would reveal them as Godfather if fecta actually took a shot and missed (he didn't, see my post above). But it's naive to think everyone who was bussed would be forthright with that information, even when it makes them look worse. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 7:46:57 GMT -6
Well if JHB switched himself with GBG and Fecta took a shot at GBG, he might have been the one to kill JHB
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 7:47:25 GMT -6
but nah, that wouldn't indicate that the shot missed. NVM
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 7:48:03 GMT -6
"Nobody else came forward so nobody else was bussed" is as bad as thinking nobody would lie about their role. It's mafia, people lie.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 7:49:19 GMT -6
Here's what we know: One of Fecta and Geebs is probably lying. One of Druce and Canes is probably lying
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Post by SPL on Sept 29, 2017 7:55:07 GMT -6
I just followed the plan JHB laid out. Canes and druce, what did your investigations say I investigated heebs and he came back vanilla civ. I am really unsure on which side to trust between Canes and Druce. I go back to this post and for some reason I believe Heebs role and later it was clarified that role would not show vanilla. So I will go #vote Druce
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 7:55:50 GMT -6
Here's what we know: One of Fecta and Geebs is probably lying. One of Druce and Canes is probably lying I am coming around to the theory that both druce and canes are lying with the thought that once one of them died, the other would be seen as verified. I thought I had just been framed when canes accused me of coming back prostitute on his night 1 investigation, it made sense I would be a framing target. But now when he says he investigated me again and it was also prostitute, I'm not buying it. His only other "investigations" besides me being prostitute were roles already known when he came forward. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 7:58:57 GMT -6
Here's what we know: One of Fecta and Geebs is probably lying. One of Druce and Canes is probably lying I am coming around to the theory that both druce and canes are lying with the thought that once one of them died, the other would be seen as verified. I thought I had just been framed when canes accused me of coming back prostitute on his night 1 investigation, it made sense I would be a framing target. But now when he says he investigated me again and it was also prostitute, I'm not buying it. His only other "investigations" besides me being prostitute were roles already known when he came forward. Yeah, it's possible. Souper Troopers would lookout be possible as the town's guaranteed investigative role, or would it have to be one of cop/investigator? |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 8:01:46 GMT -6
Why wouldn't fecta have taken his shot at me when that was the plan JHB, known civ, laid out? Makes no sense to me. That is what makes me think he might not actually have shots. The only "verification" we had that fecta was a sniper was druce confirming it via his investigations. Well it seems druce is mafia so he could have been trying to clear fecta with a bogus investigation result. Fecta's other supposed shot was at delap who the mafia might have known was MM based on a failed hit attempt. Exactly. Which is why he is one of my 2 options for the final mafia. Explain this for me. What logic is there for Jhb to bus two random people instead of himself or me? There is none. He's not that dumb and all he would do is risk fucking up my last investigation Only thing that I can think of is that he saw Fecta claiming that he wanted to take his shot at me, and he decided that Timpig (my guess as to the second bus rider) was more likely mafia than I was since I had been reported a civ from your investigation. I don't know. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 8:04:30 GMT -6
Well if JHB switched himself with GBG and Fecta took a shot at GBG, he might have been the one to kill JHB then where is the mafia kill? Souper Troopers if the sniper took a shot at gbg who was bussed and hit jhb instead, would he be told that his shot missed? |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Sept 29, 2017 8:05:15 GMT -6
I am coming around to the theory that both druce and canes are lying with the thought that once one of them died, the other would be seen as verified. I thought I had just been framed when canes accused me of coming back prostitute on his night 1 investigation, it made sense I would be a framing target. But now when he says he investigated me again and it was also prostitute, I'm not buying it. His only other "investigations" besides me being prostitute were roles already known when he came forward. Yeah, it's possible. Souper Troopers would lookout be possible as the town's guaranteed investigative role, or would it have to be one of cop/investigator? Lookout is an investigative role yes. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Sept 29, 2017 8:06:24 GMT -6
Well if JHB switched himself with GBG and Fecta took a shot at GBG, he might have been the one to kill JHB then where is the mafia kill? Souper Troopers if the sniper took a shot at gbg who was bussed and hit jhb instead, would he be told that his shot missed? You’re asking me to verify if someone is lying. I can’t do that. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 8:06:42 GMT -6
Well if JHB switched himself with GBG and Fecta took a shot at GBG, he might have been the one to kill JHB then where is the mafia kill? Souper Troopers if the sniper took a shot at gbg who was bussed and hit jhb instead, would he be told that his shot missed? I already said this scenario doesn't make sense because Fecta is saying his shot missed. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 8:07:00 GMT -6
Possible:
JHB did bus canes. He did it with GBG. Fecta claims he took a shot at GBG and missed.
GBG comes forward as bussed. Canes isn't going to say he was the other one bussed because it would imply he was The Godfather. That is why canes is pushing the nobody else came forward so nobody else was bussed angle hard.
However, fecta is lying and never did take a shot (if he has shots to take). He was role blocked last night.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 8:07:07 GMT -6
Why would somebody come forward as the other bus rider if it's going to confirm that they're the godfather? You serious, Clark? nobody else came forward. therefore, the only option is that jhb bussed himself with you and the mafia took a shot at you hoping to hit one of me or jhb. I find that highly unlikely. JHB didn't bus himself with me... It would have said something about a gun wound, assuming Fecta is actually the sniper and shot at me. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 8:09:01 GMT -6
In case my last post wasn't clear, I don't think canes is Godfather, I think fecta taking a shot and missing is bogus.
But the claim is why canes didn't come forward as being bussed, it would make him look like Godfather.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 8:10:15 GMT -6
There was no reason listed in the JHB death, he was the mafia kill.
Only other option is granny and that wasn't happening. It was mafia.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 8:10:48 GMT -6
also I know TimPig is saying he's at a wedding and all but I'll be goddamned if I let him coast to another mafia victory by simply floating around.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 8:11:53 GMT -6
Well if JHB switched himself with GBG and Fecta took a shot at GBG, he might have been the one to kill JHB then where is the mafia kill? Souper Troopers if the sniper took a shot at gbg who was bussed and hit jhb instead, would he be told that his shot missed? There are two scenarios. 1. I was bussed with the godfather, and he is invulnerable to sniper shots at night. 2. Fecta never shot because he is lying about being the Sniper. I tend to lean towards option 1. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 8:11:59 GMT -6
nobody else came forward. therefore, the only option is that jhb bussed himself with you and the mafia took a shot at you hoping to hit one of me or jhb. I find that highly unlikely. JHB didn't bus himself with me... It would have said something about a gun wound, assuming Fecta is actually the sniper and shot at me. then one of druce/20s is lying or you are lying about jhb using the bus because he was role blocked. I think we found our 3 remaining mafia. 20s druce you/fecta. god help me in the post mortem if its one of tim/heebs/pete |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 8:18:24 GMT -6
then where is the mafia kill? Souper Troopers if the sniper took a shot at gbg who was bussed and hit jhb instead, would he be told that his shot missed? There are two scenarios. 1. I was bussed with the godfather, and he is invulnerable to sniper shots at night. 2. Fecta never shot because he is lying about being the Sniper. I tend to lean towards option 1. the problem I have with scenario #1 is that it makes no sense from JHB's perspective. swapping two random people would only lead to confusion because he knew he was dying last night. I had one last investigation and he had no idea who I would use it on. swapping random people leads to exactly what we have now. mass confusion. JHB is a much better player than that. |
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