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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 10:52:53 GMT -6
#vote 20s because I think his death will show us the most. But Canes, please do what I'm asking. Who cares if you survive until the end, it's more beneficial to town if you sacrifice yourself so we can be sure SPL isn't the final mafia I don't care about my survival. Assuming 20s is the prostitute, they can't role block me anymore and have to kill me. Willingly taking a shot at the granny gives mafia 2 civ deaths tonight. Also. If spl is lying, how the fuck did odin die on day 1? |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 10:54:07 GMT -6
we're at 5-2 now. Lynch wrong today and we'll be looking at 3-2. I'm putting my trust in SPL that he is who he says he is, and whoever is truly town should vote with him if it comes down to the last day. If he's been laying low as granny this whole time, we lose, but good job by him. Here's what I think: We kill 20s today. Canes investigates SPL tonight. If Canes is telling the truth and 20s is mafia, then Canes dies and the mafia kills someone else tonight. THat leaves us at 3-1 for tomorrow and we'll know SPL is granny. If 20s is telling the truth, we'll get his verification via his death, we'll only have one death tonight, and the numbers will be 3-2 tomorrow. I'm going to be confident in that scenario that Canes and Fecta are mafia, since Canes was lying about 20s and Fecta would've been role blocked when he says he took his shot at Geebs This seems pretty risky to prove the guy who is probably the most likely to be who they say they are. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 10:55:31 GMT -6
because if you're telling the truth we've got 20s dead to rights, and I'd rather have the guaranteed knowledge of SPL's role then you alive the next day with an investigation we can't trust. And if you're lying about your role, we'll know it if you are still alive tomorrow. BUT me investigating spl gives the mafia a 2nd kill. We potentially lose two civs at night if we go through with your plan. It's much safer to take out 20s. (Assuming he is mafia) take out gbg. This should end the game with a town win but if it doesn't then we are looking at fecta as the god father. doing that plan is the only way we can get 100% verification of someone's role as town, someone who is also guaranteed not to be killed by the mafia. I'm inclined to believe you are the cop but I will not trust you unless you do this. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 10:56:23 GMT -6
#vote 20s because I think his death will show us the most. But Canes, please do what I'm asking. Who cares if you survive until the end, it's more beneficial to town if you sacrifice yourself so we can be sure SPL isn't the final mafia I don't care about my survival. Assuming 20s is the prostitute, they can't role block me anymore and have to kill me. Willingly taking a shot at the granny gives mafia 2 civ deaths tonight. Also. If spl is lying, how the fuck did odin die on day 1? Delap killed Odin, Mafia tries to hit delap |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 10:57:25 GMT -6
Okay, let's begin with a reminder. Canes and Pete were certain that I roleblocked delap on Nights 1 and 3 despite telling the truth about who I escorted those nights. Soup verifies that someone who attempted to role block a mass murderer would have been killed, thus I could not have escorted delap either o those nights. This tells us that something else had to have happened on Night 1 and 3 to prevent a mafia and MM kill. I brought up the option that delap (MM) killed odin because odin attempted to kill delap (MM) and it failed. This is important because the mafia would then know that delap was MM once SPL claimed granny. Keep it in mind. Hopefully this is not too early, but I am the Sniper and I attempted to kill Delap last night. My shot "missed" so I think he is either the Granny (who SPL claims to be) or the godfather. Am i missing any other roles that are night immune ? DelapFecta comes out as sniper. Says he used his first shot on Delap who the mafia would have known would be night immune due to Night 1 and possibly Night 3. An easy fake shot target who would then verify that the "shot" would have failed once he dies and is revealed as MM. So I was going to wait before coming out, but as previously stated numbers are getting low. I am the cop. I have mostly nothing to go off of but I can confirm a few people. Night 1 - Pete came back vanilla civ NIght 2 - JHB came back as lookout Night 3 - Fecta came back as sniper As for an explanation of targets, I think Pete and JHB are obvious, they are good players and I wanted to see where they are aligned. As for Fecta, he came out and supported 20s cause, so in order to avoid risk in targeting 20s I figured if Fecta came back dirty that would be an indirect confirm on 20s. I'm all ears on who to go after tonight, I was thinking canes, since I'm leery of visiting SPL and canes was getting some votes on day 3. This is the only "verification" we ever get that fecta is actually a sniper. He has never killed anyone with the supposed shots he took and nobody else has ever confirmed his role. We have the proven dirty cop who tried to verify fecta was a sniper. There's an easy way to solve who is lying and telling the truth with Canes and Druce. Kill druce tomorrow. Both of them did a song and dance and only Canes had new info. Druce also had info about only civs. Think it's likely delap is our neutral evil so I'd rather limit the ability for townies to die so stay on him. Fecta, you should take your shot at 20s tonight and force him to role block you so I can protect Canes. JHB, the only verified member of the town at this time, lays out a play which should ensure victory if it is followed by all town members. He clearly instructs fecta to take his shot at 20s and 20s to role block fecta. Goon - OdinProstitute - 20s
Dirty Cop - DruceGodfather - Town Investigative - CanesBus Driver - JHBGranny - SPLVanilla Civ - BKLawyer - HeebsBodyguard - RVLookout - MajicSniper - Fecta
Town Random Town Random Amnesiac - Skrouse Mass Murderer - Delapremaining unclaimed: GBG, TimPig, Pete (claimed vanilla) Here's where I'm at. Bold locked in, italics questionable. Path forward: Lynch delap fecta shoot 20s, I protect Canes Lynch druce JHB again tells fecta to shoot 20s. Took my shot at GBG and it missed. Godfather right ? Oh wait, fecta took a "shot" and it wasn't at 20s? Shocking. Oh wait, it was another "shot" that "failed"?. Shocking. Why did he do that? why didn't you shoot 20s. Totally spaced that you called him out as mafia. Oh, okay. Reluctantly going with DruceOnce druce (the dirty cop and only one who ever verified him) was outed, he was still trying to get me killed instead. Eventually, he reluctantly piled on druce late. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 10:58:30 GMT -6
Town, all I ask is that you read the previous post and consider it. If you still think the best option is to kill me and not fecta today, go ahead. It will at least prove I was telling the truth and hopefully you guys can figure it out from there.
fecta
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 10:59:49 GMT -6
Okay, let's begin with a reminder. Canes and Pete were certain that I roleblocked delap on Nights 1 and 3 despite telling the truth about who I escorted those nights. Soup verifies that someone who attempted to role block a mass murderer would have been killed, thus I could not have escorted delap either o those nights. This tells us that something else had to have happened on Night 1 and 3 to prevent a mafia and MM kill. I brought up the option that delap (MM) killed odin because odin attempted to kill delap (MM) and it failed. This is important because the mafia would then know that delap was MM once SPL claimed granny. Keep it in mind. Hopefully this is not too early, but I am the Sniper and I attempted to kill Delap last night. My shot "missed" so I think he is either the Granny (who SPL claims to be) or the godfather. Am i missing any other roles that are night immune ? DelapFecta comes out as sniper. Says he used his first shot on Delap who the mafia would have known would be night immune due to Night 1 and possibly Night 3. An easy fake shot target who would then verify that the "shot" would have failed once he dies and is revealed as MM. So I was going to wait before coming out, but as previously stated numbers are getting low. I am the cop. I have mostly nothing to go off of but I can confirm a few people. Night 1 - Pete came back vanilla civ NIght 2 - JHB came back as lookout Night 3 - Fecta came back as sniper As for an explanation of targets, I think Pete and JHB are obvious, they are good players and I wanted to see where they are aligned. As for Fecta, he came out and supported 20s cause, so in order to avoid risk in targeting 20s I figured if Fecta came back dirty that would be an indirect confirm on 20s. I'm all ears on who to go after tonight, I was thinking canes, since I'm leery of visiting SPL and canes was getting some votes on day 3. This is the only "verification" we ever get that fecta is actually a sniper. He has never killed anyone with the supposed shots he took and nobody else has ever confirmed his role. We have the proven dirty cop who tried to verify fecta was a sniper. There's an easy way to solve who is lying and telling the truth with Canes and Druce. Kill druce tomorrow. Both of them did a song and dance and only Canes had new info. Druce also had info about only civs. Think it's likely delap is our neutral evil so I'd rather limit the ability for townies to die so stay on him. Fecta, you should take your shot at 20s tonight and force him to role block you so I can protect Canes. JHB, the only verified member of the town at this time, lays out a play which should ensure victory if it is followed by all town members. He clearly instructs fecta to take his shot at 20s and 20s to role block fecta. Here's where I'm at. Bold locked in, italics questionable. Path forward: Lynch delap fecta shoot 20s, I protect Canes Lynch druce JHB again tells fecta to shoot 20s. Took my shot at GBG and it missed. Godfather right ? Oh wait, fecta took a "shot" and it wasn't at 20s? Shocking. Oh wait, it was another "shot" that "failed"?. Shocking. Why did he do that? Totally spaced that you called him out as mafia. Oh, okay. Reluctantly going with DruceOnce druce (the dirty cop and only one who ever verified him) was outed, he was still trying to get me killed instead. Eventually, he reluctantly piled on druce late. I'm with you here. That's why, if you are the escort, we've got an easy path to victory from here even if we kill you today |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 29, 2017 11:00:51 GMT -6
Okay, let's begin with a reminder. Canes and Pete were certain that I roleblocked delap on Nights 1 and 3 despite telling the truth about who I escorted those nights. Soup verifies that someone who attempted to role block a mass murderer would have been killed, thus I could not have escorted delap either o those nights. This tells us that something else had to have happened on Night 1 and 3 to prevent a mafia and MM kill. I brought up the option that delap (MM) killed odin because odin attempted to kill delap (MM) and it failed. This is important because the mafia would then know that delap was MM once SPL claimed granny. Keep it in mind. Fecta comes out as sniper. Says he used his first shot on Delap who the mafia would have known would be night immune due to Night 1 and possibly Night 3. An easy fake shot target who would then verify that the "shot" would have failed once he dies and is revealed as MM. This is the only "verification" we ever get that fecta is actually a sniper. He has never killed anyone with the supposed shots he took and nobody else has ever confirmed his role. We have the proven dirty cop who tried to verify fecta was a sniper. JHB, the only verified member of the town at this time, lays out a play which should ensure victory if it is followed by all town members. He clearly instructs fecta to take his shot at 20s and 20s to role block fecta. JHB again tells fecta to shoot 20s. Oh wait, fecta took a "shot" and it wasn't at 20s? Shocking. Oh wait, it was another "shot" that "failed"?. Shocking. Why did he do that? Oh, okay. Once druce (the dirty cop and only one who ever verified him) was outed, he was still trying to get me killed instead. Eventually, he reluctantly piled on druce late. I'm with you here. That's why, if you are the escort, we've got an easy path to victory from here even if we kill you today Exactly. If I'm lying the town still has a really easy path to a W. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 11:02:27 GMT -6
Town, all I ask is that you read the previous post and consider it. If you still think the best option is to kill me and not fecta today, go ahead. It will at least prove I was telling the truth and hopefully you guys can figure it out from there. fectaif there is a framer then you can let me have it post game. but I am confident you are the prostitute. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 11:03:50 GMT -6
BUT me investigating spl gives the mafia a 2nd kill. We potentially lose two civs at night if we go through with your plan. It's much safer to take out 20s. (Assuming he is mafia) take out gbg. This should end the game with a town win but if it doesn't then we are looking at fecta as the god father. doing that plan is the only way we can get 100% verification of someone's role as town, someone who is also guaranteed not to be killed by the mafia. I'm inclined to believe you are the cop but I will not trust you unless you do this. you can get verification by voting him out. im not giving the mafia potentially two kills tonight and putting the town in a situation where it is do or die tomorrow. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 11:03:53 GMT -6
Final comment:
Pete is pushing hard for a "guaranteed win" plan that would be a mafia win if either Tim, Pete, or both are in the mafia.
His plan proposes 2 deaths tonight (canes, mafia kill) in addition to me dying today.
It would leave us with
SPL (verified)
And 3 of:
Pete
TimPig
Fecta
GBG
So 3-1. He then says its a lock win by voting for Fecta or GBG. Well, what if they are town? Then it is 1-1 after that kill and a night mafia kill.
If either pete or TimPig (both claiming vanilla civ) are the Godfather, the town loses there. How is that a "guaranteed win"?
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:04:18 GMT -6
who claimed their were bussed that night that JHB died? GBG? I was bussed the night that JHB died. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 29, 2017 11:07:27 GMT -6
20s is realllly trying to muddy the water here throwing out all kinds of different theories.
We kill 20s today and the GBG tomorrow we win the game.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:07:57 GMT -6
gbg is the only one who claims to be bussed. 20s is trying to argue that I am lying about not being bussed. well, lets think about this. 20s silences JHB, mafia kills jhb, fecta takes a shot at gbg and is night immune. Next day gbg claims he was bussed to try and gain cred. Make sense? You're forgetting about Timpig sitting in the shadows letting everyone else point fingers at each other. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 29, 2017 11:09:19 GMT -6
20s is realllly trying to muddy the water here throwing out all kinds of different theories. I'm developing and presenting possible scenarios based on the actions that have occurred in the game. That's how you discover things in mafia, genius. Or in your case, you just say people are 100% mafia and tell everyone to vote for them. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:11:22 GMT -6
I'm not convinced. That's why I want him to investigate SPL tonight. We'll know if we get 2 deaths tonight that both Canes and SPL are telling the truth, meaning Fecta's story is the most plausible and our last mafia is going to be GBG im not seeing the logic of risking my own death to investigate spl. I'm just not sure of the logic. assuming I investigate spl, I die if he is the granny. then the mafia gets to kill 2 civs at night. I don't see how that is worth the risk Agreed. Seems risky to me. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 11:12:20 GMT -6
doing that plan is the only way we can get 100% verification of someone's role as town, someone who is also guaranteed not to be killed by the mafia. I'm inclined to believe you are the cop but I will not trust you unless you do this. you can get verification by voting him out. im not giving the mafia potentially two kills tonight and putting the town in a situation where it is do or die tomorrow. this is shitty logic. If you're alive tomorrow what more good can you do for us? It's most likely gonna be one of Fecta, TimPig, GBG and me, with an outside chance of SPL. Two days of town votes is gonna narrow that down to a toss up between two of those 4 with it still possible that you or SPL is lying. If, instead, you kill yourself by investigating SPL, we will eliminate the possibility that you and SPL are lying, and will be choosing between whichever 3 are left of Fecta, Tim, GBG and me. Fecta and GBG have contradicted each other, so there should be some evidence either way. And if one of them is the mafia kill, we'll know the other is lying and it will be a cakewalk to vote the last one out. And most importantly, it means whoever is town remaining only has to consider 2 people anyway, since SPL is for sure and they'll know that they are town themselves. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 11:12:22 GMT -6
well, lets think about this. 20s silences JHB, mafia kills jhb, fecta takes a shot at gbg and is night immune. Next day gbg claims he was bussed to try and gain cred. Make sense? You're forgetting about Timpig sitting in the shadows letting everyone else point fingers at each other. I haven't forgotten. however, we have fecta claiming he took a shot at you on a night he was supposedly role blocked by 20s. one of the two is lying. it is possible both of them are lying but I find that less likely. if 20s dies and turns out to be the escort, we know there is a framer and that 20s was telling the truth. that means fecta really was role blocked 2 nights ago and lied about taking a shot at you. that means he gets killed tomorrow during the day. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 29, 2017 11:12:25 GMT -6
20s is realllly trying to muddy the water here throwing out all kinds of different theories. I'm developing and presenting possible scenarios based on the actions that have occurred in the game. That's how you discover things in mafia, genius. Or in your case, you just say people are 100% mafia and tell everyone to vote for them. When I know they are 100 percent mafia ( not like Bankz said GBG was 100 percent mafia with nothing to go on lol, that was so dumb) yeah Im gonna say that. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:12:53 GMT -6
There are 4, and we have only killed Odin right? Playing dumb? Or just dumb? lol |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 11:14:18 GMT -6
Final comment: Pete is pushing hard for a "guaranteed win" plan that would be a mafia win if either Tim, Pete, or both are in the mafia. His plan proposes 2 deaths tonight (canes, mafia kill) in addition to me dying today. It would leave us with SPL (verified) And 3 of: Pete TimPig Fecta GBG So 3-1. He then says its a lock win by voting for Fecta or GBG. Well, what if they are town? Then it is 1-1 after that kill and a night mafia kill. If either pete or TimPig (both claiming vanilla civ) are the Godfather, the town loses there. How is that a "guaranteed win"? With all of the interactions between people's roles, I think we can eliminate the idea that Tim and I both are mafia. If that's the case, there's no way your night interactions with Fecta, Fecta's shot at Geebs and canes's investigations can lead to such contradictory information |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 29, 2017 11:14:44 GMT -6
There are 4, and we have only killed Odin right? Playing dumb? Or just dumb? lol Just dumb. 20s was really giving me too much credit in his post laying out my case. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 11:16:47 GMT -6
Final comment: Pete is pushing hard for a "guaranteed win" plan that would be a mafia win if either Tim, Pete, or both are in the mafia. His plan proposes 2 deaths tonight (canes, mafia kill) in addition to me dying today. It would leave us with SPL (verified) And 3 of: Pete TimPig Fecta GBG So 3-1. He then says its a lock win by voting for Fecta or GBG. Well, what if they are town? Then it is 1-1 after that kill and a night mafia kill. If either pete or TimPig (both claiming vanilla civ) are the Godfather, the town loses there. How is that a "guaranteed win"? With all of the interactions between people's roles, I think we can eliminate the idea that Tim and I both are mafia. If that's the case, there's no way your night interactions with Fecta, Fecta's shot at Geebs and canes's investigations can lead to such contradictory information also I never said it's a lock. I said it gives us the best info to go off of |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 11:16:56 GMT -6
you can get verification by voting him out. im not giving the mafia potentially two kills tonight and putting the town in a situation where it is do or die tomorrow. this is shitty logic. If you're alive tomorrow what more good can you do for us? It's most likely gonna be one of Fecta, TimPig, GBG and me, with an outside chance of SPL. Two days of town votes is gonna narrow that down to a toss up between two of those 4 with it still possible that you or SPL is lying. If, instead, you kill yourself by investigating SPL, we will eliminate the possibility that you and SPL are lying, and will be choosing between whichever 3 are left of Fecta, Tim, GBG and me. Fecta and GBG have contradicted each other, so there should be some evidence either way. And if one of them is the mafia kill, we'll know the other is lying and it will be a cakewalk to vote the last one out. And most importantly, it means whoever is town remaining only has to consider 2 people anyway, since SPL is for sure and they'll know that they are town themselves. both of them are suspects. mafia aren't going to do our job for us and take one out. I still see no reason to give the mafia 2 kills tonight. I'd rather put my faith in spl and go with my gut than potentially give a free kill to the mafia. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Sept 29, 2017 11:18:54 GMT -6
this is shitty logic. If you're alive tomorrow what more good can you do for us? It's most likely gonna be one of Fecta, TimPig, GBG and me, with an outside chance of SPL. Two days of town votes is gonna narrow that down to a toss up between two of those 4 with it still possible that you or SPL is lying. If, instead, you kill yourself by investigating SPL, we will eliminate the possibility that you and SPL are lying, and will be choosing between whichever 3 are left of Fecta, Tim, GBG and me. Fecta and GBG have contradicted each other, so there should be some evidence either way. And if one of them is the mafia kill, we'll know the other is lying and it will be a cakewalk to vote the last one out. And most importantly, it means whoever is town remaining only has to consider 2 people anyway, since SPL is for sure and they'll know that they are town themselves. both of them are suspects. mafia aren't going to do our job for us and take one out. I still see no reason to give the mafia 2 kills tonight. I'd rather put my faith in spl and go with my gut than potentially give a free kill to the mafia. All you are doing is reducing the certainty of the town members that are going to have to make that decision. Gut and faith are poor alternatives to verified truth |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:20:39 GMT -6
#vote 20s because I think his death will show us the most. But Canes, please do what I'm asking. Who cares if you survive until the end, it's more beneficial to town if you sacrifice yourself so we can be sure SPL isn't the final mafia If 20s is lying ( which he is) that means my shot on GBG missed and he is the final mafia. Not since I was bussed, dude. Anyways: #vote 20s |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Sept 29, 2017 11:22:06 GMT -6
Also the mafia kills make more sense to me if someone like 20s is in the mafia, since they avoided going after strong players until potentially night 3, when someone tried to hit me and ended up hitting Majic I would guess that had a lot to do with RV dying, and the town losing their bodyguard role. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Sept 29, 2017 11:23:07 GMT -6
If 20s is lying ( which he is) that means my shot on GBG missed and he is the final mafia. Not since I was bussed, dude. Anyways: #vote 20sif jhb bussed you with someone random, I blame him for the loss |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Sept 29, 2017 11:32:22 GMT -6
20s - Fecta, Canes, Pete, GBG, Spl
Fecta - 20s
Yet to vote - Timpig
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Post by Souper Troopers on Sept 29, 2017 11:32:58 GMT -6
If 20s is lying ( which he is) that means my shot on GBG missed and he is the final mafia. Not since I was bussed, dude. Anyways: #vote 20sTimer started here. 12:50 end of day. |
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