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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 13:09:53 GMT -6
How about random draft classes? As in we could have the 2001 draft class in one year, then the 1975 draft class the next year. Just a thought... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ We'd start at the merger and randomize everything after that. You would be able to see three years into the future. Well, perhaps not the players and grades, but which class it is for sure. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 24, 2014 13:28:08 GMT -6
Fwiw I don't really see a benefit to it other than to be different.
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 13:30:41 GMT -6
Fwiw I don't really see a benefit to it other than to be different. There's not one, but that's largely irrelevant as different is a good enough reason to do it imo. The same old players in the same order is getting dull. |
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 13:37:11 GMT -6
how would that affect the undeclared players? like if year 1 is 2003 and Lebron is going to college for w/e reason, does he declare next year that could be 1992, or he declares in 2004 which could happen to be like year 8? IF it happened, and I'm not a huge fan of undeclared players to begin with, it would just be the next year...which is 92 in your example. Sure, it could help keep classes balanced, but I don't think we need to do that constantly. Lebron in the same class as Shaq would be interesting. |
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Post by MJ on Apr 24, 2014 13:37:12 GMT -6
I didn't like it when i first read it but I really enjoy the idea. This would be crack 3ish at this and if we are going to keep interest some of it has to change a little.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Apr 24, 2014 13:37:45 GMT -6
Bold prediction that Ianboyd pulls out if this idea get implemented
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Post by Ocho on Apr 24, 2014 16:38:43 GMT -6
are you going to try and go through and long term schedule the classes? Or will it just be at the end of each year, you will just choose a new year 3
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 16:43:50 GMT -6
are you going to try and go through and long term schedule the classes? Or will it just be at the end of each year, you will just choose a new year 3 Most likely I'll do it well in advance. You guys would always be able to see the current class and the next 3. After the creation draft I would reveal the first four classes, then the new one around the time of the draft each season. |
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 16:49:49 GMT -6
Or I may do it each year so I can add classes to the pool as players retire.
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 16:54:13 GMT -6
Nah, I should reveal the first classes before the creation draft.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 19:40:02 GMT -6
Yeah, reveal them before.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Apr 24, 2014 21:41:29 GMT -6
Nah, I should reveal the first classes before the creation draft. This. People may decide to tank in the event if the 03 class is up first or something. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Apr 24, 2014 22:17:43 GMT -6
Fuck planned tanks. Don't reveal who the class is until after the draft. People shouldn't be rewarded for tanking.
If you want to tank, you should have to deal with the consequences of having a bad draft class. That way there aren't years with tons of tankers and tons of competition, and you won't see as many retarded ass trades as people desperately try to tank for a good class.
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Post by Odin on Apr 24, 2014 22:19:55 GMT -6
Tanking is going to happen either way. It just will.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Apr 24, 2014 22:21:27 GMT -6
I know, but the years when guys like MJ and Hakeem are coming along and people know that, you get the retarded ass trades where guys are dumping superstars for nothing and dead cap space.
Make it uncertain so you only plan to tank if your team can't be competitive and not if you like the next three classes.
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Post by Ocho on Apr 25, 2014 10:35:28 GMT -6
I know, but the years when guys like MJ and Hakeem are coming along and people know that, you get the retarded ass trades where guys are dumping superstars for nothing and dead cap space. I don't think they're going to let the retarded trades happen |
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Post by Odin on Apr 25, 2014 10:37:40 GMT -6
I've never been a fan of people trading starter quality players for a hawks first.
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Post by Druce on Apr 25, 2014 10:38:34 GMT -6
love this idea.
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Post by Druce on Apr 25, 2014 11:16:43 GMT -6
for what it's worth, with people worrying about draft classes being totally terrible, i think to bring more balance we could try to add more depth to shitty classes (make some players a little better than they truly were coming out) and still have a handful of potential stand out players in each class. essentially:
2-6 Elite prospects
4-8 Very good prospects
8-15 Solid rotation prospects
Sprinkle in a few sleepers etc and that gives you a range of 14-29 very useful players per draft, which seems like a good balance and doesn't turn a class into absolutely useless.
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 25, 2014 11:28:19 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0.
Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Apr 25, 2014 11:39:09 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0. Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp. this. although the sleeper thing needs to get figured out. would appreciate it if odin took some time and played around with the software to see if he could find a grade/potential combo that could help facilitate the occasional late 1st or 2nd round sleeper that becomes a solid starter or something |
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Post by Odin on Apr 25, 2014 11:39:28 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0. Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp. I very much agree. However, I also agree with Druce that classes need to be deeper. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Apr 25, 2014 11:41:53 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0. Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp. I very much agree. However, I also agree with Druce that classes need to be deeper. draft depth and quality at the top are 2 completely different things. I think the ideal situation would be finding a way to get at least 10 rotation worthy players out of each draft. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 25, 2014 12:24:00 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0. Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp. this. although the sleeper thing needs to get figured out. would appreciate it if odin took some time and played around with the software to see if he could find a grade/potential combo that could help facilitate the occasional late 1st or 2nd round sleeper that becomes a solid starter or something its easy as shit to make a decent starter level PG, I made one every year out of the foreigners with weird names (Jiri for example) that can be like a 16 ppg scorer with 7-9 assists on 2.5 or fewer TOS. high jumpshot, high handles, high quickness, high steals, high perimeter def, decent passing and above 40 in 3 point shot = the ramen noodle of cookie cutter PGs |
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 25, 2014 12:25:18 GMT -6
their starting grades looked no better than C B- B- C+ D (w/e potential)
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Post by Druce on Apr 25, 2014 12:50:19 GMT -6
2-6 elite prospects is way too many, inflation is why things got out of hand in 2.0. Not every draft is suppose to have Nick Diaz/KG, there is nothing wrong with 2-3 years of the best player in the draft being Chauncey Billups or Shawn Kemp. nick diaz/kg were once a generation players. by elite prospect i meant guys that are sure fire top picks, not the best players in the history of the league. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 25, 2014 13:03:00 GMT -6
sure fire as in, could end up being a fringe HoF player and make the all star team for half his career. Or like at their peak could absolutely be good enough to win a Finals MVP being the best player in a title team?
If the first then sure, if the 2nd, absolutely not. Best players on a Finals team should be limited to on average, maybe at most 1-2 per draft with some drafts having none, not 2-6 per draft.
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Post by Druce on Apr 25, 2014 13:36:47 GMT -6
you over analyze shit too much. sure fire as in starting grades that make them a no brainer top 5 pick.
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Post by IanBoyd on Apr 25, 2014 15:03:54 GMT -6
that's just like, your opinion man
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Post by ANK1990 on Apr 25, 2014 15:36:30 GMT -6
I said this on TMB, but I think not revealing the full grade set until after the draft is done would be interesting.
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