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As punishment, the Nets should trade whatever player they got at 1.14 to the Celtics for 500 dump bucks

[Heebs]

Dec 17, 2014 10:56:21 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Dec 17, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -6 Heebs said:

Adding some color, for what it is worth.

I wanted Law, knew I needed to get in before dump to take him. I was also working on getting 1.17 to take Stuckey, assuming Law was gone. I was also working on getting 1.15 from dump in hopes.

I made an offer for 1.14, 20s countered, I thought about it and had second thoughts because I didn't realize 1.14 was a non-lotto pick (I was being stupid) and I really wanted to ship the PG I took overseas. So I said I'd pass because it was a lotto pick and I wanted to send him overseas.

20s said ok, and explained to me that it wasn't a lotto pick.

I began writing another offer to 20s at the same time 20s posted the offer to bankz.

I made the offer to both 20s and bankz, realizing I really wanted that pick now. I couldn't have cared less who got those picks as long as I had 1.14.

20s said he wasn't going to scumbag bankz - I said that's fine because bankz is working on a trade with me for 1.14. He asked what bankz had said and I told him what bankz had said.

20s decided that he was going to rescind his offer to bankz since bankz hadn't accepted and was shopping the pick.

We made the trade.

Now - my thoughts. Is bankz right to be upset? Of course. Is 20s right to make the trade with me? Of course. I was giving a lot of value for that pick and both players wanted it. Bankz should have accepted the trade before 20s could rescind the offer. Instead, he started negotiating with me before ever accepting the pick. From my end - I just wanted the pick and couldn't care less who got those picks, so I'm not troubled in the least by any of this.

I wasn't negotiating shit with you... I asked who you wanted at 1.14, because like i told 20's I was willing to work a compromise out since he got blown away by your offer.  

You also didn't offer the same deal to 20's and I.  Because the offer I have in my inbox is not the same as the one 20's accepted.  

So don't be a sneaky bitch about it.

I am not sure what you were trying to do if not negotiate with me.  What would you call it?

[Heebs]

Dec 17, 2014 11:08:43 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Dec 17, 2014 11:00:32 GMT -6 20s Navidad said:

I do feel bad about how it went down, I understand why bankz was mad.

But I was in a tough spot too.

Hebrew turning down my offer, Me telling bankz his offer was accepted, and Hebrews new offer once he realized he could send 1.14 overseas all came within like 2 mins. Hebrew was offering more for 1.14 than bankz for 1.14 and 1.20 combined.

Even then, as Hebrew said, I told him I wasn't going to back out of the bankz one since I would feel bad. I see bankz online, bankz hasn't accepted our trade or returned any of my PMs yet. Hebrew tells me bankz is PMing with him asking who he wants and says he will trade him 1.14 if it isn't the guy bankz wants.

When I see that bankz is just going to trade 14 to Hebrew for the deal I prefer to his, and he hasn't even accepted my trade yet, I say screw trying to be nice to bankz and not back out even though his offer is way worse, if he isn't picking at 14 and is dealing it, I am just trading it to Hebrew.

At 9:02 am You PM'd that our deal was posted.
At 9:16 am Heebs PM'd "the same deal you got" 

Dec 17, 2014 8:16:17 GMT -6 Heebs said:

I'll give you 1.19, 1.27, 1.28, and 1.29 for 1.14.  

At 9:28 am You started to have second thoughts and wanted out of the deal

I woke up to all of this... and instead of trying to fuck you over and accepting the deal.  I wanted to compromise with the three of us.  Because before this I actually respected you for being a stand up guy in this league.  

My idea was to give you 1.27, 1.28 and 1.29 keep 1.19 and 1.20.... Heebs could draft at 1.14 IF he didn't take my guy..  But instead you fucked me.  

Can you explain your reasoning behind the bolded part?  You didn't have a pick until 1.19 - how was who I was going to pick important to you 5 picks later?

[Bankz]

Dec 17, 2014 11:09:59 GMT -6 Heebs said:

Dec 17, 2014 10:56:21 GMT -6 Bankz said:

I wasn't negotiating shit with you... I asked who you wanted at 1.14, because like i told 20's I was willing to work a compromise out since he got blown away by your offer.  

You also didn't offer the same deal to 20's and I.  Because the offer I have in my inbox is not the same as the one 20's accepted.  

So don't be a sneaky bitch about it.

I am not sure what you were trying to do if not negotiate with me.  What would you call it?

1st I asked who you were targeting... because NOTHING would happen if you were taking my guy.  You didn't fwiw so if you guys would of just stopped for a second and not just fucked me would could of worked out the above trade... 

[Heebs]

Bankz - just to be clear, I am not trying to be a dick to you. I see that you got fucked here and haven't said you didn't. Just trying to make you understand 20s point of view. A person can get fucked over without the person fucking them being a dick for having done it.

[Bankz]

Dec 17, 2014 11:11:54 GMT -6 Heebs said:

Dec 17, 2014 11:08:43 GMT -6 Bankz said:

At 9:02 am You PM'd that our deal was posted.
At 9:16 am Heebs PM'd "the same deal you got" At 9:28 am You started to have second thoughts and wanted out of the deal

I woke up to all of this... and instead of trying to fuck you over and accepting the deal.  I wanted to compromise with the three of us.  Because before this I actually respected you for being a stand up guy in this league.  

My idea was to give you 1.27, 1.28 and 1.29 keep 1.19 and 1.20.... Heebs could draft at 1.14 IF he didn't take my guy..  But instead you fucked me.  

Can you explain your reasoning behind the bolded part?  You didn't have a pick until 1.19 - how was who I was going to pick important to you 5 picks later?

I knew Dump wanted Law at 1.15... I knew the guy I wanted wouldn't be selected by the guys at 1.16,1.17 or 1.18 because it wouldn't fill a need.  So if my guy wasn't selected by you at 1.14 I could safely fall to 1.19 and still get the player I wanted at 1.14

[Bankz]

Dec 17, 2014 11:13:26 GMT -6 Heebs said:

Bankz - just to be clear, I am not trying to be a dick to you. I see that you got fucked here and haven't said you didn't. Just trying to make you understand 20s point of view. A person can get fucked over without the person fucking them being a dick for having done it.

Honestly I'm just pissed because in the past I would of just accepted the 20's deal and tell him to deal with it.

I actually had good intentions and wanted to figure out a solution that could work out for all three of us.  

And his response about not giving a fuck just set me off.  So to me he fucked me over and was being a dick about it.  

Anyways nothing can be done.. i'll get over it.    My guy got selected at by 20's at 1.20

[Face-in]

nvm

[Deleted]

Let the record show that Hebrew didnt even want the guy at 1.14 on his team

[Lazy Pete]

tl; dr

[Deleted]

Now I wish I had selected Reggie and shipped him overseas FOREVER

[20s Navidad]

I mean I'm not saying bankz didn't get the short end of the stick, but in the end I just accepted the better offer for 1.14 pick than bankz' offer for 1.14 and 1.20.

Bankz, I had no clue that you were trying to work a trade out with Hebrew to help me out, how was I supposed to know that? If you took Hebrews offer and mine, I was the one getting the short end of the stick. When I hadn't been contacted at all by you, but heard you had been PMing with Hebrew about trading him the pick (this is all I knew) I decided to act swiftly to not get fucked over and took the deal I much preferred. It was really the fact that I hadn't heard anything from you but Hebrew had that set off red flags in my head. Turns out those might have been false flags, but I had no way of knowing that.

Also, giving me 1.27 1.28 and 1.29 while keeping 1.19 from Hebrew and 3015 Nets 1st from Hebrew for yourself isn't really helping me that much. I'm selling those picks for dump bucks. It was 19 and the 3015 1st that I wanted, and I still had 1.20 to myself instead of sending it to you.

[Bankz]

Dec 17, 2014 11:41:31 GMT -6 20s Navidad said:

I mean I'm not saying bankz didn't get the short end of the stick, but in the end I just accepted the better offer for 1.14 pick than bankz' offer for 1.14 and 1.20.

Bankz, I had no clue that you were trying to work a trade out with Hebrew to help me out, how was I supposed to know that? If you took Hebrews offer and mine, I was the one getting the short end of the stick. When I hadn't been contacted at all by you, but heard you had been PMing with Hebrew about trading him the pick (this is all I knew) I decided to act swiftly to not get fucked over and took the deal I much preferred. It was really the fact that I hadn't heard anything from you but Hebrew had that set off red flags in my head. Turns out those might have been false flags, but I had no way of knowing that.

Also, giving me 1.27 1.28 and 1.29 while keeping 1.19 from Hebrew and 3015 Nets 1st from Hebrew for yourself isn't really helping me that much. I'm selling those picks for dump bucks. It was 19 and the 3015 1st that I wanted, and I still had 1.20 to myself instead of sending it to you.

The time between my PM to you and Heebs was 2 minutes... You didn't let me even explain what was going on in my mind and what I was trying to do. 

Also I had no clue the Nets 3015 was on the table because Heebrew is a fucking liar and didn't offer us the same deal... 

I was working with the info I had not what you two knew 

[20s Navidad]

Dec 17, 2014 11:48:23 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Dec 17, 2014 11:41:31 GMT -6 20s Navidad said:

I mean I'm not saying bankz didn't get the short end of the stick, but in the end I just accepted the better offer for 1.14 pick than bankz' offer for 1.14 and 1.20.

Bankz, I had no clue that you were trying to work a trade out with Hebrew to help me out, how was I supposed to know that? If you took Hebrews offer and mine, I was the one getting the short end of the stick. When I hadn't been contacted at all by you, but heard you had been PMing with Hebrew about trading him the pick (this is all I knew) I decided to act swiftly to not get fucked over and took the deal I much preferred. It was really the fact that I hadn't heard anything from you but Hebrew had that set off red flags in my head. Turns out those might have been false flags, but I had no way of knowing that.

Also, giving me 1.27 1.28 and 1.29 while keeping 1.19 from Hebrew and 3015 Nets 1st from Hebrew for yourself isn't really helping me that much. I'm selling those picks for dump bucks. It was 19 and the 3015 1st that I wanted, and I still had 1.20 to myself instead of sending it to you.

The time between my PM to you and Heebs was 2 minutes... You didn't let me even explain what was going on in my mind and what I was trying to do. 

Also I had no clue the Nets 3015 was on the table because Heebrew is a fucking liar and didn't offer us the same deal... 

I was working with the info I had not what you two knew 

Gotcha, yeah I am not blaming you for anything that went down, just explaining what I knew and when, and why I ended up taking Hebrew's deal since he was offering 5 1sts to move down 5 spots.

Did not know that about him not offering you the same trade as me, looks like we all had different bits and pieces of information.  In the end, this was definitely a huge clusterfuck, and I am sorry for PMing you that I would take your deal and posting it instead of waiting to see if Hebrew would do the trade once he knew that 1.14 was eligible for stashing overseas.  If I hadn't done that, no one would have anything to complain about.  So sorry about that.

It definitely isn't my proudest moment as a GM, but I was not trying at all to scumbag anyone.

[Swaggy Z]

So all in favor of 20s, bankz and Hebrew on the next podcast?

[Heebs]

Dec 17, 2014 17:17:01 GMT -6 Swaggy Z said:

So all in favor of 20s, bankz and Hebrew on the next podcast?

Unless you invite the all american cumstain harryg I am afraid I will be kind to a fault.