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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 12:42:48 GMT -6
God SPL is the biggest flip-flopper on the planet. He has been that way in all three games so far; so I'm not sure how to read into it. He targeted me early in game 2 fwiw and tried a couple of times to gin up support to kill me. |
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 12:43:18 GMT -6
we had really no desire to. exactly, eric was an outstanding smoke screen last game. now that we know he isn't, he's gone night 1/2 imo I find it odd that someone that plays a shit ton of strategic games has nobility when it comes to something like this, I know game 1 it set up that way but maybe game 1 was like 20s last game. He did not want to answer the questions so later on his word would not be questioned. I don't think we can take anyones word at its face value this early on, regardless of how "honest" the individual is. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 12, 2017 12:43:58 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone is so team random kill being the best for the town.
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 12:45:38 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone is so team random kill being the best for the town. no, you should vote SPL because last game I was mafia and I am an easy target this game because I won last game. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 12, 2017 12:45:41 GMT -6
Yeah I think the time for answering "are you mafia" has come to an end. It's pointless to ask or answer it anymore.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 12:46:55 GMT -6
Or you could put it in a list randomizer and it could truly be random.
I thought of that, but if everyone "does" that, the mafia obviously will not do that and will make sure a civ is killed day 1. Best chance of a truly random kill day 1 is to find a way to do a double blind random list. People made fun of me for trying to come up with a way to do that, and I'm frankly tired of being a laughing stock for trying to optimize the town's chances of winning (even if I make mistakes, that is my goal). So I'm just going to vote with eric day 1 and leave well enough alone. There's a 79% chance we're going to kill a civ on Day 1 since there are for more civs than mafia. Eric has no more information than you do and if the mafia team up together to "randomly" vote off a civ, that will be obvious teamwork.
Stop overthinking this so much. Everything you're doing right now to establish credibility and "improve our chances" comes off as incredibly suspicious to me and if you're a civ, just stop it.
Optimal play says run a randomizer.
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 12:47:08 GMT -6
God SPL is the biggest flip-flopper on the planet. He has been that way in all three games so far; so I'm not sure how to read into it. He targeted me early in game 2 fwiw and tried a couple of times to gin up support to kill me. Well, I went with a random pick, Eric made a post that was not random in targeting me and you piggy backed on his vote. Part of me voting you is because you have a vote and for my own self preservation in the game. Not sure what you would want me to do. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jun 12, 2017 12:51:35 GMT -6
He targeted me early in game 2 fwiw and tried a couple of times to gin up support to kill me. Well, I went with a random pick, Eric made a post that was not random in targeting me and you piggy backed on his vote. Part of me voting you is because you have a vote and for my own self preservation in the game. Not sure what you would want me to do. the one thing I noticed is when people get voted against they will turn and point a finger at the person voting for them. Generally you will be suspecious of a person voting for you but you really need to look at the information that is being laid out in front of you and not put blinders on to the person that is voting at you like it is an attack. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 12:54:51 GMT -6
I thought of that, but if everyone "does" that, the mafia obviously will not do that and will make sure a civ is killed day 1. Best chance of a truly random kill day 1 is to find a way to do a double blind random list. People made fun of me for trying to come up with a way to do that, and I'm frankly tired of being a laughing stock for trying to optimize the town's chances of winning (even if I make mistakes, that is my goal). So I'm just going to vote with eric day 1 and leave well enough alone. There's a 79% chance we're going to kill a civ on Day 1 since there are for more civs than mafia. Eric has no more information than you do and if the mafia team up together to "randomly" vote off a civ, that will be obvious teamwork.
Stop overthinking this so much. Everything you're doing right now to establish credibility and "improve our chances" comes off as incredibly suspicious to me and if you're a civ, just stop it.
Optimal play says run a randomizer.
Right, and piggy backing was a strategy used by SPL last game to help him fly under the radar. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 12:56:08 GMT -6
And exactly what me and Odin did that outed us in Game 1.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 12:56:27 GMT -6
I don't know why everyone is so team random kill being the best for the town. I don't know what the best strat is, all I want to make sure of is that we don't kill the cop/bodyguard. |
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 12:56:49 GMT -6
Well, I went with a random pick, Eric made a post that was not random in targeting me and you piggy backed on his vote. Part of me voting you is because you have a vote and for my own self preservation in the game. Not sure what you would want me to do. the one thing I noticed is when people get voted against they will turn and point a finger at the person voting for them. Generally you will be suspecious of a person voting for you but you really need to look at the information that is being laid out in front of you and not put blinders on to the person that is voting at you like it is an attack. touché |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 12:56:56 GMT -6
He said, "Heebs is a civ, I'll vote whatever he votes." Then we couldn't really pin SPL to having intent to get rid of specific players, and we couldn't gather evidence because he wasn't coming up with original thoughts.
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Post by eric on Jun 12, 2017 12:57:42 GMT -6
the only non mafia that non mafia know is non mafia is me, hence my elimination is the optimal result for the mafia. i really hope for my team's sake that you're saying this because you're mafia, and not because you're the bodyguard and you actually believe it Why do you think you're the only one that hasn't lied playing this game? at no point have i said, thought, or implied that i'm the only one who hasn't lied what i am the only one to have done is told the truth when it didn't benefit meas such, i am the one whom we can all place the most confidence in I get that, but Soup and I among others have been completely honest civilians our entire mafia playing careers, too. Plus, if the mafia knows where the body guard is going to be, it gives them less risk when they're targeting civilians. the bodyguard can choose to protect a known civilian, or an unknown (could be civ, could be mafia) if they protect the known civ, they know that the known civ won't die, which is a positive outcome for the town on top of killing a mafia. if someone else is hit then we'll know that person was a civ, which lets us learn something from their voting history. it's a no-lose choice. if they don't protect the known civ, it's possible the known civ will be hit. we don't kill a mafia, we don't learn anything from voting history. this choice could also produce positive outcomes, but it's not guaranteed the way the first option is. as for the mafia, they don't know where the bodyguard will be. they know where the bodyguard ought to be, but that's an entirely different matter, altogether. |
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 13:01:27 GMT -6
Why do you think you're the only one that hasn't lied playing this game? at no point have i said, thought, or implied that i'm the only one who hasn't lied what i am the only one to have done is told the truth when it didn't benefit me as such, i am the one whom we can all place the most confidence inI get that, but Soup and I among others have been completely honest civilians our entire mafia playing careers, too. Plus, if the mafia knows where the body guard is going to be, it gives them less risk when they're targeting civilians. the bodyguard can choose to protect a known civilian, or an unknown (could be civ, could be mafia) if they protect the known civ, they know that the known civ won't die, which is a positive outcome for the town on top of killing a mafia. if someone else is hit then we'll know that person was a civ, which lets us learn something from their voting history. it's a no-lose choice. if they don't protect the known civ, it's possible the known civ will be hit. we don't kill a mafia, we don't learn anything from voting history. this choice could also produce positive outcomes, but it's not guaranteed the way the first option is. as for the mafia, they don't know where the bodyguard will be. they know where the bodyguard ought to be, but that's an entirely different matter, altogether. yeah, that worked out so well last game, you latched onto Delap really hard along with all your early game choices that worked real well for the town. We have no shit who is what at this stage of the game. |
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Post by eric on Jun 12, 2017 13:02:18 GMT -6
exactly, eric was an outstanding smoke screen last game. now that we know he isn't, he's gone night 1/2 imo I find it odd that someone that plays a shit ton of strategic games has nobility when it comes to something like this, I know game 1 it set up that way but maybe game 1 was like 20s last game. He did not want to answer the questions so later on his word would not be questioned. I don't think we can take anyones word at its face value this early on, regardless of how "honest" the individual is. you should stop copying other peoples' buzz words. "nobility" has nothing to do with it. being honest every time is what everyone should do if they want to win most games. it would completely defeat the purpose of playing the games, but that's neither here nor there. |
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Post by eric on Jun 12, 2017 13:04:35 GMT -6
at no point have i said, thought, or implied that i'm the only one who hasn't lied what i am the only one to have done is told the truth when it didn't benefit me as such, i am the one whom we can all place the most confidence inthe bodyguard can choose to protect a known civilian, or an unknown (could be civ, could be mafia) if they protect the known civ, they know that the known civ won't die, which is a positive outcome for the town on top of killing a mafia. if someone else is hit then we'll know that person was a civ, which lets us learn something from their voting history. it's a no-lose choice. if they don't protect the known civ, it's possible the known civ will be hit. we don't kill a mafia, we don't learn anything from voting history. this choice could also produce positive outcomes, but it's not guaranteed the way the first option is. as for the mafia, they don't know where the bodyguard will be. they know where the bodyguard ought to be, but that's an entirely different matter, altogether. yeah, that worked out so well last game, you latched onto Delap really hard along with all your early game choices that worked real well for the town. We have no shit who is what at this stage of the game. i don't get why everyone takes this so personally it's going to turn out i was exactly what i said i was every time, you may as well make your peace with that now |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 13:06:22 GMT -6
He said, "Heebs is a civ, I'll vote whatever he votes." Then we couldn't really pin SPL to having intent to get rid of specific players, and we couldn't gather evidence because he wasn't coming up with original thoughts. I'm more than willing to continue exploring the double-blind random option. Unless we do that, I'm going to follow eric for day 1. I feel like I've laid out my reasoning for doing so. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:07:37 GMT -6
Who did Eric vote for? I can't see bold on Tapatalk
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 13:07:52 GMT -6
yeah, that worked out so well last game, you latched onto Delap really hard along with all your early game choices that worked real well for the town. We have no shit who is what at this stage of the game. i don't get why everyone takes this so personally it's going to turn out i was exactly what i said i was every time, you may as well make your peace with that now not personal, just dumb that you think you are some leader that others should follow when at this moment everything is random. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 13:08:51 GMT -6
He said, "Heebs is a civ, I'll vote whatever he votes." Then we couldn't really pin SPL to having intent to get rid of specific players, and we couldn't gather evidence because he wasn't coming up with original thoughts. I'm more than willing to continue exploring the double-blind random option. Unless we do that, I'm going to follow eric for day 1. I feel like I've laid out my reasoning for doing so. I hear you. I understand where you're coming from. It's nearly impossible to imagine all 14 or whatever people coordinating in order for the true random selection, but it's still something I have to consider. |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 13:10:09 GMT -6
I'm more than willing to continue exploring the double-blind random option. Unless we do that, I'm going to follow eric for day 1. I feel like I've laid out my reasoning for doing so. I hear you. I understand where you're coming from. It's nearly impossible to imagine all 14 or whatever people coordinating in order for the true random selection, but it's still something I have to consider. like |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:13:25 GMT -6
i don't get why everyone takes this so personally it's going to turn out i was exactly what i said i was every time, you may as well make your peace with that now not personal, just dumb that you think you are some leader that others should follow when at this moment everything is random. It's because this isn't supposed to be how mafia is played. You're not supposed to know who is who and be able to absribe their IRL personality traits to their mafia games. This game is about half as fun as it should be because of people like Eric. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:14:05 GMT -6
But this is all actually just about post padding
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 13:17:09 GMT -6
But this is all actually just about post padding no, its about hunting and killing the fucking mafia |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:18:57 GMT -6
Did Eric vote anyone yet I gotta go for the next hour and want to get my vote in so I don't die
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 13:19:02 GMT -6
so voting update? the sooner day 1 is done, the better
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 13:20:16 GMT -6
I'll add up the votes. Just a minute.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 13:20:49 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia.
"Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1
"Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5
"I am civ" - P1
"Likewise." - P2
"Me as well." - P3
"Not me, I'm a cop." -P4
"Oh golly, how exciting." - P3
"As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5
"I vote mafia." -Players 1-4
"Town wins." - Moderator
"Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 13:22:11 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 sounds exhilarating. |
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