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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:25:06 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 It's because erics fun module stopped working, he just uses mafia to accrue dump bucks and posts. Apparently. |
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 13:26:42 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 like... cannot wait for the vote results to come in this round and see how this holds up. Going to be just like last round. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 13:27:59 GMT -6
3 SPL - 20's, Eric, Heebs
3 Billy King - fecta, JHB, Tim Pig
2 Heebs - Canes, SPL
1 Fecta - GBG
Yet to vote:
BK, Pete, Soup, taco, Delap
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 12, 2017 13:29:00 GMT -6
Just went back and read the game 1 thread. Eric threw out "I am mafia" on page one clearly in a strategic way because surely no one would admit to being a mafia member, much less on the first page.
Not another word about it until he saw the writing on the wall and changed the vote to himself.
Oh so noble of you eric.
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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 13:31:09 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 My fear is that he did it the first time as mafia to set up (i) optimal credibility as a civilian for future games in which he is a civilian and (ii) optimal credibility as as a civilian for future games in which he is a mafia. The strategy for (ii) only works if he lies the next time he is a mafia, as that's really what he's setting up. Basically he sacrificed one game as mafia for as many games as a civilian as he can before he is mafia again, plus his last game with credibility where he is actually mafia. If he tells the truth the next time he is mafia (ie, says "I am mafia" and/or refuses to say "I am a civilian"), it's that much more certain he's really going to follow the 100 percent honesty gameplan forever. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jun 12, 2017 13:32:49 GMT -6
Yeah but he didn't sacrifice himself in game 1.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 13:33:14 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 My fear is that he did it the first time as mafia to set up (i) optimal credibility as a civilian for future games in which he is a civilian and (ii) optimal credibility as as a civilian for future games in which he is a mafia. The strategy for (ii) only works if he lies the next time he is a mafia, as that's really what he's setting up. Basically he sacrificed one game as mafia for as many games as a civilian as he can before he is mafia again, plus his last game with credibility where he is actually mafia. If he tells the truth the next time he is mafia (ie, says "I am mafia" and/or refuses to say "I am a civilian"), it's that much more certain he's really going to follow the 100 percent honesty gameplan forever. this is exactly what I said last game. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:36:44 GMT -6
3 SPL - 20's, Eric, Heebs 3 Billy King - fecta, JHB, Tim Pig 2 Heebs - Canes, SPL 1 Fecta - GBG Yet to vote: BK, Pete, Soup, taco, Delap I'm gonna vote with Eric here but mostly to not die myself. I will echo soups concerns from earlier though, random lynching day 1 isn't necessarily the best move. It's what you have to do if you don't have a cop and bg, but there are other ways of getting info and having 2 people die per day instead of one helps the mafia. Spl |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 13:37:32 GMT -6
We have a cop and BG.
So what is this better way, BK?
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Post by eric on Jun 12, 2017 13:41:33 GMT -6
i don't get why everyone takes this so personally it's going to turn out i was exactly what i said i was every time, you may as well make your peace with that now not personal, just dumb that you think you are some leader that others should follow when at this moment everything is random. it is personal, because you're reading words that are nowhere close to what i'm writing, going way out of your way to misinterpret them. this also unfortunately means that you'll read whatever you want from these words too, so whatever man, have at it. Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 not my fault the optimal strategy is boring Just went back and read the game 1 thread. Eric threw out "I am mafia" on page one clearly in a strategic way because surely no one would admit to being a mafia member, much less on the first page. Not another word about it until he saw the writing on the wall and changed the vote to himself. Oh so noble of you eric. this has got to be the first time in history i've been accused of saying something too FEW times |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jun 12, 2017 13:44:47 GMT -6
Eric's ideal version of mafia. "Hi we are a group of people that trusts each other." - Player 1 "Yes, I agree friend." - Players 2-5 "I am civ" - P1 "Likewise." - P2 "Me as well." - P3 "Not me, I'm a cop." -P4 "Oh golly, how exciting." - P3 "As an honest person, I will share I am mafia." -P5 "I vote mafia." -Players 1-4 "Town wins." - Moderator "Wow, what a rush, well played game friends." - P5 laughed out loud at this. " What a rush" fucking killed me. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:44:52 GMT -6
We have a cop and BG. So what is this better way, BK? Wait for the cop to find mafia. People literally die at half the rate. There is no reason to kill anyone randomly until the cop is dead. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jun 12, 2017 13:53:27 GMT -6
We have a cop and BG. So what is this better way, BK? Wait for the cop to find mafia. People literally die at half the rate. There is no reason to kill anyone randomly until the cop is dead. Getting everyone to no vote repeatedly while the mafia takes random people out seems dangerous. |
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Post by Heebs on Jun 12, 2017 13:55:27 GMT -6
We need a probability nerd to model out stuff like this. The lack of helpful google results for "optimal strategy cop bodyguard mafia" is frustrating.
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 13:55:34 GMT -6
Wait for the cop to find mafia. People literally die at half the rate. There is no reason to kill anyone randomly until the cop is dead. Getting everyone to no vote repeatedly while the mafia takes random people out seems dangerous. Yes, you shouldn't repeat it often but a day or two of no randomly lynching civs puts the town at a huge advantage. |
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 13:57:05 GMT -6
Wait for the cop to find mafia. People literally die at half the rate. There is no reason to kill anyone randomly until the cop is dead. Getting everyone to no vote repeatedly while the mafia takes random people out seems dangerous. If there are votes made, they are the obvious mafia players and they get voted off. It could also be a joker as well if it is a single voter. You want to lengthen the game to have more time. |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 13:59:09 GMT -6
I would agree with Billy because I've seen this work in some mafia games I played on the app but there were three major differences:
1. You don't know anyone
2. There were multiple special roles on the civ side so even when the mafia killed special civs there was backup
3. Day/night periods lasted 3 minutes so all your moves were based on the moves other people made, not on what they said
Mathematically speaking, you have a much better chance of winning as the town if you force votes and force people to participate and reveal their positions. Otherwise if everyone agrees to vote no lynch and you lose civs, you may go 3 or 4 days before the cop randomly selects the right person to investigate and uncover a mafia.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 14:04:40 GMT -6
I would agree with Billy because I've seen this work in some mafia games I played on the app but there were three major differences: 1. You don't know anyone 2. There were multiple special roles on the civ side so even when the mafia killed special civs there was backup 3. Day/night periods lasted 3 minutes so all your moves were based on the moves other people made, not on what they said Mathematically speaking, you have a much better chance of winning as the town if you force votes and force people to participate and reveal their positions. Otherwise if everyone agrees to vote no lynch and you lose civs, you may go 3 or 4 days before the cop randomly selects the right person to investigate and uncover a mafia. yup. we lost last game because we allowed people to float. forcing partipation and voting out the inactive people is the best early game strat imo |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 14:06:59 GMT -6
I would agree with Billy because I've seen this work in some mafia games I played on the app but there were three major differences: 1. You don't know anyone 2. There were multiple special roles on the civ side so even when the mafia killed special civs there was backup 3. Day/night periods lasted 3 minutes so all your moves were based on the moves other people made, not on what they said Mathematically speaking, you have a much better chance of winning as the town if you force votes and force people to participate and reveal their positions. Otherwise if everyone agrees to vote no lynch and you lose civs, you may go 3 or 4 days before the cop randomly selects the right person to investigate and uncover a mafia. Fair enough |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Jun 12, 2017 14:07:12 GMT -6
I think it's a fallacy to assume that what worked/didn't work last game will have the same effect this game. In all likelihood the mafia members are going to participate more this time around since we're all going to be looking a lot closer at the non-participants
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 14:13:31 GMT -6
It's not so much that there is an assumption that mafia members are relatively inactive it's that if they are and are allowed to continue playing, you have very little to judge on their actions, and thus it makes it harder to tell what a person's true role is.
Thus, not participating is not an action that should be rewarded by the town.
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jun 12, 2017 14:17:14 GMT -6
It's not so much that there is an assumption that mafia members are relatively inactive it's that if they are and are allowed to continue playing, you have very little to judge on their actions, and thus it makes it harder to tell what a person's true role is. Thus, not participating is not an action that should be rewarded by the town. exactly. we learned last game that by letting people float, we opened ourselves up to getting taken out by a mafia that really didn't have to do too much to win. The easiest way to prevent that in the future is to not let people float. Easiest way to eliminate that strategy. |
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Post by ANK1990 on Jun 12, 2017 14:18:05 GMT -6
Vote count:
4 SPL - 20's, Eric, Heebs, BK
3 Billy King - fecta, JHB, Tim Pig
2 Heebs - Canes, SPL
1 Fecta - GBG
Yet to vote:
Pete, Soup, taco, Delap
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Jun 12, 2017 14:26:06 GMT -6
It's not so much that there is an assumption that mafia members are relatively inactive it's that if they are and are allowed to continue playing, you have very little to judge on their actions, and thus it makes it harder to tell what a person's true role is. Thus, not participating is not an action that should be rewarded by the town. Why did you not understand this last game? |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Jun 12, 2017 14:28:14 GMT -6
Well when we got to the point we were at, I would have considered you, Taco, SPL, yawn, and eric to all have been non-active so it would have really been taking a stab in the dark.
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Post by Delap on Jun 12, 2017 14:32:40 GMT -6
I wish majic were here to kill. Darn him.
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Post by Delap on Jun 12, 2017 14:34:01 GMT -6
Haven't made a decision yet. Will vote in roughly an hour. Leaning toward SPL.
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 14:40:16 GMT -6
Just vote for me, I am Mafia
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Post by SPL on Jun 12, 2017 14:40:52 GMT -6
trust me, I am honest with my word
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Post by Lazy Pete on Jun 12, 2017 14:40:55 GMT -6
how did so many settle on SPL/Billy King? Is there any reasoning behind it?
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