3053 Win Shares (579 views)

[eric]

h/t ANK1990

All-NBA by WS Rank:
PG: 1, 3, 10
SG: 2, 6, 10
SF: 1, 5, x (Morris would be #2 of SF)
PF: 5, 12, 13
C_: x, x, x (AD and STAT would both be #1 of C but Amar'e is higher, JJJ would be #2)

Sexton is the deserving MVP. Lonzo would have had to play 84 games to catch him in Win Shares. Lots of luck.

So weird that the most undeserving All-NBA First and Second team players are white guys. So weird.

Chris Morris really should have just been #1 of SG. "Sugar" Rashard clearly suffering from the aftereffects of voter sugar highs, I don't care if Diallo took 41 shots a game he's your classic good stats on a bad team kind of player, back in my day we cared about wins and Lewises.

point guard

19.2 Collin Sexton
14.8 Lonzo Ball
14.7 Malik Monk
13.5 Luke Ridnour
12.3 Tyronn Lue
11.5 Majestic Mapp
11.5 Jalen Brunson
10.4 Frank Ntilikina
10.3 Jason D. Williams
9.9 Markelle Fultz
9.4 Trevon Duval
9.4 Tommie Frazier
9.0 Dajuan Wagner
8.8 Omar Little
8.2 Phil Ford 2.0
8.0 Chris Paul
7.6 Mike Bibby
7.6 Dean Oliver
7.3 Chauncey Billups
6.6 Brian Shaw
6.3 Gary Grice
6.2 Glynn Watson
6.1 Bill Clinton
5.9 Drake Wilton
5.5 Dan Majerle
5.0 John Stockston
4.7 Antonio Daniels
4.7 Flea Balzary
4.3 Rafer Alston
3.2 Rod Grizzard
3.0 Steve Kerr
3.0 Travis Spivey
2.6 Mo Williams
2.5 Archie Miller
1.9 Edwin Daniels
1.7 Dennis Smith Jr
1.6 Zack Friedman
1.6 Calvin Coolidge
1.4 Lou Williams
1.4 Damon Wilson
1.2 Grover Cleveland
1.2 God Shammgod
1.1 Bad Santa Brunner
0.9 Everette Stephens
0.8 Dwight D. Eisenhower
0.8 Brad Stevens
0.7 Martin Van Buren
0.7 Hot Sauce
0.6 Avon Barksdale
0.6 TJ Ford
0.5 [Just] Wallace
0.3 Jacque Vaughn
0.3 Carlton Bragg
0.3 Antonio Blakeney
0.3 Nate Robinson
0.2 Tony Harris
0.1 Jason Gardner
0.1 DeAndre Liggins
0.1 Chad Gaines
0.1 Kenny Gregory
0.1 Edmond Sumner
0.0 Larry Van Exel
0.0 Dick McGuire
-0.1 Stephan Templeton
-0.2 Luke Recker
-0.3 Kyle Guy
-0.5 Ulysses S. Grant
-1.2 Isaiah Whitehead
-2.8 Salina Meyers
-5.1 Cameron Ruffin
-7.2 Jeremiah English
-11.6 Kenny Scolari
shooting guard

13.2 Chris Morris
11.8 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
11.3 Rex Chapman
11.1 Kris Dunn
10.5 Rory Lavs
10.3 Luka Doncic
9.8 Dillon Brooks
9.1 Snoop Pearson
8.8 Bryant Crawford
8.3 Hamidou Diallo
8.3 Vince Carter
8.0 Estaban Weaver
7.5 Mitch Richmond
6.9 Bill Bellamy
6.7 George Washington
6.6 Dan Cortese
6.4 Brandin Knight
6.3 Bradley Bleal
5.8 De'Aaron Fox
5.7 Brandon Ingram
5.2 Monta Ellis
5.1 Jim Thorpe
5.1 Kyle Korver
4.8 Antwaan Randle-El
4.6 Doug Remer
4.5 Ed Gray
4.4 Marcus Cox
4.4 Jason Hunter
4.2 Queen Latifah
4.1 Ndubi Ebi
4.1 Rod Strickland
3.5 Thomas Jefferson
3.5 Coop Cooper
3.0 Vernon Maxwell
2.9 Richard Sherman
2.8 Jed Bartlett
2.8 Sergio McClain
2.7 Barry Sanders
2.6 Jason Parker
2.5 Ronald Reagan
2.4 Barack Obama
2.1 William Gates
2.1 Byron Mouton
1.9 Randall Cunningham
1.9 Markis McDuffie
1.9 Hersey Hawkins
1.8 Antonio Reed
1.7 Morlon Wiley
1.7 John Adams
1.5 Steve Young
1.4 Kris Joseph
1.3 Harry Truman
0.7 Josh Hart
0.7 Al Favre
0.6 Stephen Jackson
0.4 Gary Trent Jr.
0.3 Larry Hughes
0.3 Jamel Irief
0.3 John Quincy Adams
0.2 Travis Releford
0.2 Bryan Odom
0.1 Rutherford B. Hayes
0.1 Franklin Pierce
0.1 Sean Mosley
0.1 Donatas Zavackas
0.1 Tony Wroten
0.0 Richard Nixon
0.0 Connie Hawkins
0.0 Robert Diggs
0.0 Anthony Perry
0.0 Andrew Steele
-0.1 Malik McAdoo
-0.4 Zack Novak
-1.5 Tom Litwack
small forward

14.3 Tracy McGrady
12.3 Rashard Lewis
11.6 Nikoloz Tskitishvili
11.5 Ben Simmons
11.3 LeBron James
9.2 Anthony Mason
8.7 Josh Jackson
8.7 Marvin Williams
8.4 Willie Anderson
7.7 Jiri Welsch
7.7 OG Anunoby
7.1 Dwyane Wade
7.1 Jason C. Williams
6.1 Randy Moss
6.0 Caron Butler
5.8 Antawn Jamison
5.7 Jayson Tatum
5.3 Jaylen Brown
5.0 Grant Long
4.3 Tayshaun Prince
4.2 Tim Thomas
4.1 PJ Dozier
4.1 Antonio Gates
3.9 Bonzie Colson
3.8 Keith Van Horn
3.7 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3.5 John Havlicek
3.4 Martell Webster
3.2 Mark Vershaw
3.2 Lonnie Walker
3.1 Danny Granger
3.1 Derek Anderson
3.0 Lavell Blanchard
3.0 Danny Manning
2.8 Paul Pierce
2.6 Tyler Dorsey
2.5 Kevin Jones
2.5 Michael Porter
2.2 Britton Johnson
2.1 Larry Bird
2.1 Tres Tinkle
2.0 Danjel Purifoy
1.9 Deng Adel
1.7 Kelan Martin
1.5 Moe Harkless
1.5 Reggie Jessie
1.4 Andrew Jackson
1.4 Luke Maye
1.2 Samardo Samuels
1.1 John F. Kennedy
1.0 Millard Fillmore
0.7 Brindley Wright
0.6 Ralph Sampson III
0.3 Scotty Hopson
0.3 Vince Edwards
0.2 Josh Howard
0.2 Marlo Stanfield
0.2 Tang Hamilton
0.1 Jonathan Isaac
0.0 Andrew Bynum
0.0 John Tyler
-0.1 Jason Clark
-0.4 Black Bush
-1.8 Wyatt Meyer
power forward

11.8 Ben Bentil
11.8 Amar'e Stoudemire
11.4 Anthony Davis
9.8 Jaren Jackson Jr.
9.5 Dirk Nowitzki
9.1 Mikki Moore
8.8 Tacko Fall
8.5 Tai Wynyard
7.7 Chris Bosh
6.7 Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
5.8 David West
5.8 Rob Gronkowski
5.8 Orlando Graham
5.5 Zarko Cabarkapa
5.4 Terrence Jones
5.4 Ryan Humphrey
5.3 Jarrett Allen
5.2 Zach Collins
5.2 Ed Jones
5.2 Russell Jones
4.7 Nikola Jokic
4.7 Scot Pollard
4.7 Will Perdue
4.4 Theodore Roosevelt
4.2 Cheick Diallo
4.0 Dennis Coles
3.7 Jared Berggren
3.6 Adrian McCoy
3.6 Carmelo Anthony
3.5 Wayne Hightower
3.0 Gerald Ford
3.0 Andy Kowske
2.9 Tony Bradley
2.8 Diamond Stone
2.6 Casey Calvary
2.5 Jimmy Graham
2.1 Tony Gonzalez
2.1 Jerome Lane
2.0 Rico Gathers
1.9 Nazr Mohammed
1.8 Ray Spaulding
1.7 Chimezie Metu
1.5 Wendell Carter
1.3 Adonal Foyle
0.8 Udonis Haslem
0.8 Sam Stankovic
0.8 Angel Garcia
0.5 James K Polk
0.5 John Henson
0.4 Harry Giles
0.4 Mitchell Endacott
0.4 Eloy Vargas
0.4 Melvin Ely
0.3 Kelvin Cato
0.3 Benjamin Harrison
0.2 Herbert Hoover
0.1 Dedric Lawson
0.1 Woodrow Wilson
0.1 John Long
0.0 Zachary Taylor
0.0 Matt Carroll 2.0
-0.1 Billy Preston
-0.5 Trevor Sharman
-0.8 Rocky Hickcox
-2.4 Ruben Slater
-3.0 Thomas Welsh
center

9.9 Eric Chenowith
8.6 Salado Valarado III
8.3 Abraham Lincoln
8.0 Clifford Smith
7.7 Elton Tyler
7.6 Darko Milicic
7.4 Caleb Swanigan
7.4 Marquese Chriss
6.7 Mo Bamba
6.4 Tim Duncan
6.3 Yao Ming
6.1 Justin Patton
6.1 Chandler Chandler
5.9 Slim Charles
5.9 Zaza Pachulia
5.8 Slava Medvedenko
5.8 Dean Cain
5.3 Thon Maker
5.2 Meyers Leonard
5.1 Karim Shabazz
5.0 Lamont Hawkins
4.7 Chris Kaman
4.5 Corey Woods
4.4 Nenad Krstic
4.2 Willis Reed
3.9 Tahj Holden
3.9 Skoal Labissiere
3.8 AJ Hammons
3.3 Walt Bellamy
3.2 Colton Iverson
3.0 Amir Johnson
2.8 Drew Eubanks
2.7 Jakob Poeltl
2.7 William Henry Harrison
2.5 Jerry Lucas
2.5 Andre Drummond
2.4 Rik Smits
2.4 J'Mison Morgan
2.3 Dragan Bender
2.3 Max Bing
2.3 William Howard Taft
2.2 Jonathan Nwankwo
2.1 Mike Watkins
2.1 Jonathan Ogden
1.7 Deandre Ayton
1.5 Donald Trump
1.5 Blake Henson
1.5 Nigel Dixon
1.5 James Monroe
1.1 Tony Battie
1.0 Kendrick Perkins
0.6 Bam Adebayo
0.6 Georgios Papagiannis
0.5 Mark Blount
0.3 Lonnie Baxter
0.1 Lyndon B. Johnson
0.1 Curtis Borchardt 2.0
0.1 Reggie Evans
0.0 Tyrus Boswell
0.0 Kenny Frease
0.0 Tito Horford
0.0 Tim Perry
0.0 Michael Dunigan
0.0 William McKinley
0.0 Shawn Cervi
-1.9 Ruben Diddle
-2.5 Louis Twyman
-3.5 Morris Tornopsky

[Majic]

gotta love trading your 11.5 w/s PG for the 8.8 w/s Big in order to play your 6.6 w/s PG

and yes I am still salty about the Dunn trade

in other news:

First team All-Pro Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk is officially on the block

so is Jason D Williams

and all other Blazers

[TimPig]

Chriss = t-#7 C
Moore = #6 PF
Mason = #6 SF
Dunn = #4 SG
Lonzo = #2 PG despite missing 17 games.

Spurs = #1 TEAM

Catch up, guys.

[SPL]

Dec 6, 2017 15:25:56 GMT -6 Majic said:

gotta love trading your 11.5 w/s PG for the 8.8 w/s Big in order to play your 6.6 w/s PG

and yes I am still salty about the Dunn trade

in other news:

First team All-Pro Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk is officially on the block

so is Jason D Williams

and all other Blazers

Would you rather have Dunn and Tacko or Brunson and Rory? I think it worked out fine for me.

[TimPig]

Honest Abe Lincoln:

#3 in W/S among centers
#UR in the Rookie Ladder

[TimPig]

Dec 6, 2017 15:46:52 GMT -6 SPL said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:25:56 GMT -6 Majic said:

gotta love trading your 11.5 w/s PG for the 8.8 w/s Big in order to play your 6.6 w/s PG

and yes I am still salty about the Dunn trade

in other news:

First team All-Pro Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk is officially on the block

so is Jason D Williams

and all other Blazers

Would you rather have Dunn and Tacko or Brunson and Rory? I think it worked out fine for me.

Without thinking too hard, I'm guessing you couldn't have even had Dunn and Tacko. Don't think you would've had the soft cap room to sign Tacko if Dunn were around, right?

[SPL]

Dec 6, 2017 15:47:53 GMT -6 TimPig said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:46:52 GMT -6 SPL said:

Would you rather have Dunn and Tacko or Brunson and Rory? I think it worked out fine for me.

Without thinking too hard, I'm guessing you couldn't have even had Dunn and Tacko. Don't think you would've had the soft cap room to sign Tacko if Dunn were around, right?

I may have had enough room to sign 1 max contract because Dunn was the only high value contract that I would have had.

[Majic]

Dec 6, 2017 15:50:06 GMT -6 SPL said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:47:53 GMT -6 TimPig said:

Without thinking too hard, I'm guessing you couldn't have even had Dunn and Tacko. Don't think you would've had the soft cap room to sign Tacko if Dunn were around, right?

I may have had enough room to sign 1 max contract because Dunn was the only high value contract that I would have had.

you lucked out on signing Tacko and then got an all-league level player as a rookie at pick 7 

that doesn't make the trade less worse

its always been more so that a top contending team paid very little to acquire an all-league level player 

[SPL]

Dec 6, 2017 15:56:20 GMT -6 Majic said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:50:06 GMT -6 SPL said:

I may have had enough room to sign 1 max contract because Dunn was the only high value contract that I would have had.

you lucked out on signing Tacko and then got an all-league level player as a rookie at pick 7 

that doesn't make the trade less worse

its always been more so that a top contending team paid very little to acquire an all-league level player 

So I should have kept Dunn, finished 9th like I did the prior seasons before I obtained Dwade and Bentil. Pick at the end of lottery while Dunn gets older and nears the end of his contract? I made it known I was moving Dunn, this was the best offer on the table and I took it.

[Face-in]

Dec 6, 2017 15:46:52 GMT -6 SPL said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:25:56 GMT -6 Majic said:

gotta love trading your 11.5 w/s PG for the 8.8 w/s Big in order to play your 6.6 w/s PG

and yes I am still salty about the Dunn trade

in other news:

First team All-Pro Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk is officially on the block

so is Jason D Williams

and all other Blazers

Would you rather have Dunn and Tacko or Brunson and Rory? I think it worked out fine for me.

Yep, thank god you didn’t end up quitting back when people weren’t saying nice things about the trade.

[SPL]

Dec 6, 2017 16:19:30 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Dec 6, 2017 15:46:52 GMT -6 SPL said:

Would you rather have Dunn and Tacko or Brunson and Rory? I think it worked out fine for me.

Yep, thank god you didn’t end up quitting back when people weren’t saying nice things about the trade.

What have I done for you to be an asshole at me at any chance you can get?

[TimPig]

Dec 6, 2017 16:22:27 GMT -6 SPL said:

Dec 6, 2017 16:19:30 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Yep, thank god you didn’t end up quitting back when people weren’t saying nice things about the trade.

What have I done for you to be an asshole at me at any chance you can get?

Apparently a porn star died. It's been a rough day for Fason.

Let him have this one.

[Lazy Pete]

T-Mac is glorious

[Face-in]

Nothing Spl, I’m an asshole to everyone. With you I do enjoy poking fun at you because of how you have inability to laugh at yourself and are hypersensitive.

Also a porn star died today, so please respect my grieving process and let me have this one.

[SPL]

Dec 6, 2017 16:44:13 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Nothing Spl, I’m an asshole to everyone. With you I do enjoy poking fun at you because of how you have inability to laugh at yourself and are hypersensitive.

Also a porn star died today, so please respect my grieving process and let me have this one.

Ok bud, I thought I did something to set you off. Sorry for my harsh response.

[Face-in]

Dec 6, 2017 16:46:46 GMT -6 SPL said:

Dec 6, 2017 16:44:13 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Nothing Spl, I’m an asshole to everyone. With you I do enjoy poking fun at you because of how you have inability to laugh at yourself and are hypersensitive.

Also a porn star died today, so please respect my grieving process and let me have this one.

Ok bud, I thought I did something to set you off. Sorry for my harsh response.

Goddammit Spl don’t apologize.  

[eric]

why does NO ONE mention Kenny Gregory in these trade post post post post mortems?

[SugarShaun]

Fason isn’t really mean to me but 41-14 was mean enough that

[Odin]

in an era of no tanking spl 100% still could have landed pick 7 with dunn

also, who the fuck are the 6 dumbasses that passed on a created player

[Majic]

Dec 6, 2017 19:31:43 GMT -6 Odin said:

in an era of no tanking spl 100% still could have landed pick 7 with dunn

also, who the fuck are the 6 dumbasses that passed on a created player

This

I mean I just missed the playoffs with Williams-Svi-Williams

Dunn isn't good enough alone to destroy a tank.

there was an arbitrary timeline set for you to trade him that was unnecessary  

could have gotten into the season and someone in need would have paid and you would still be tanking

I do love ya though SPL so please take none of this personally 

[Delap]

so Malik is confirmed the 3rd best player in the league? How on earth did I miss the playoffs?

[BKay Jewelers]

Dec 7, 2017 7:04:25 GMT -6 Delap said:

so Malik is confirmed the 3rd best player in the league? How on earth did I miss the playoffs?

win shares is not an accurate assessment of a players contribution to a win, no matter what eric says.

[eric]

Dec 7, 2017 7:04:25 GMT -6 Delap said:

so Malik is confirmed the 3rd best player in the league? How on earth did I miss the playoffs?

i know those feels

short version? take it from me, it turns out employing a sentient brain piloting a seven foot cyborg exoskeleton is not the best play from a basketball perspective: on court, off court, in technodrome, you name it

suffice it to say Danny Krang-R will NOT be joining Steph Templeton amongst the hallowed rafters of the THE Famous New York Knicks Ring of Honorable Fame

NUFF SAID

bottom line, Danny Granger is and has always been bad at basketball
same goes for Sim Danny Granger

at the end of the day, addition by subtraction implies subtraction by addition
you can't change your football club, and you can't triple stamp a double stamp
but you can plus a minus

when you get down to brass tacks there are known knowns and unknown knowns
and nown you known