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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:20:37 GMT -6
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 14:22:22 GMT -6
Awful trade on many levels, but i'm glad majic killed his cap.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 4, 2016 14:22:27 GMT -6
In a vacuum this is not a fair deal. But what was the benefit of keeping Randle? Be mediocre for the next two years, not resign Miner ( who is 5 years younger) and get nothing ? Like others have mentioned fair market value is what people are willing to pay. Rebuilding teams dont want to take on a 30 year old big man and contending teams dont have the best assets for a team trying to rebuild. I could have been stubborn and not traded Randle because the deal wasnt "fair" but this is much better than just standing pat. Also, based on the offers I was getting for Randle I highly doubt Stone would have gotten much more than the Blazers first.
Looking back I probably should have taken the deal that Heebs offered. Which to clarify, to my understanding at least was just one pick, either my pick back or the Sonics pick. Still, nothing great.
The roster I inherited sucked and its gonna get worse before it gets better. .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:24:42 GMT -6
FectaDEEZ Clarify one thing, did Heebs offer you BOTH Hornets picks at any certain time? Be careful as this may seal your fate
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Post by Heebs on Aug 4, 2016 14:25:00 GMT -6
In a vacuum this is not a fair deal. But what was the benefit of keeping Randle? Be mediocre for the next two years, not resign Miner ( who is 5 years younger) and get nothing ? Like others have mentioned fair market value is what people are willing to pay. Rebuilding teams dont want to take on a 30 year old big man and contending teams dont have the best assets for a team trying to rebuild. I could have been stubborn and not traded Randle because the deal wasnt "fair" but this is much better than just standing pat. Also, based on the offers I was getting for Randle I highly doubt Stone would have gotten much more than the Blazers first. Looking back I probably should have taken the deal that Heebs offered. Which to clarify, to my understanding at least was just one pick, either my pick back or the Sonics pick. Still, nothing great. The roster I inherited sucked and its gonna get worse before it gets better. . My offer was your picks back. "If you're interested in tanking, I'd be willing to trade them back to you for Julius Randle. I need a second good big man, and he fits the bill. I also have the Sonics picks, and I am going to message him about Jonas Valanciunas. To be honest I'd prefer Randle - so let me know if you're interested in trying to tank in the upcoming drafts." |
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 14:25:21 GMT -6
"Because its the best offer i had" is rarely a good reason to make a trade. Did you go through rosters and make offers yourself or sit back and wait for your inbox to fill up?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:25:42 GMT -6
In a vacuum this is not a fair deal. But what was the benefit of keeping Randle? Be mediocre for the next two years, not resign Miner ( who is 5 years younger) and get nothing ? Like others have mentioned fair market value is what people are willing to pay. Rebuilding teams dont want to take on a 30 year old big man and contending teams dont have the best assets for a team trying to rebuild. I could have been stubborn and not traded Randle because the deal wasnt "fair" but this is much better than just standing pat. Also, based on the offers I was getting for Randle I highly doubt Stone would have gotten much more than the Blazers first. Looking back I probably should have taken the deal that Heebs offered. Which to clarify, to my understanding at least was just one pick, either my pick back or the Sonics pick. Still, nothing great. The roster I inherited sucked and its gonna get worse before it gets better. . My offer was your picks back. "If you're interested in tanking, I'd be willing to trade them back to you for Julius Randle. I need a second good big man, and he fits the bill. I also have the Sonics picks, and I am going to message him about Jonas Valanciunas. To be honest I'd prefer Randle - so let me know if you're interested in trying to tank in the upcoming drafts." I dont believe any of these words |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:26:35 GMT -6
"Because its the best offer i had" is rarely a good reason to make a trade. Did you go through rosters and make offers yourself or sit back and wait for your inbox to fill up? Some people dont have the time for that because they have social lives and things called jobs |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 4, 2016 14:27:32 GMT -6
Its a good reason when you have to make a move. Randle was only getting older and closer to free agency. Losing value quickly. I went through rosters and tried to find a fit, but the offers that came were about what I was expecting.
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 14:28:49 GMT -6
"Because its the best offer i had" is rarely a good reason to make a trade. Did you go through rosters and make offers yourself or sit back and wait for your inbox to fill up? Some people dont have the time for that because they have social lives and things called jobs When has a job ever stopped anyone from staying on here throughout the entire day? |
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 14:29:53 GMT -6
Its a good reason when you have to make a move. Randle was only getting older and closer to free agency. Losing value quickly. I went through rosters and tried to find a fit, but the offers that came were about what I was expecting. Why did you have to make a move? We're at least 24 hours from FA, probably more. |
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Post by Heebs on Aug 4, 2016 14:30:48 GMT -6
Its a good reason when you have to make a move. Randle was only getting older and closer to free agency. Losing value quickly. I went through rosters and tried to find a fit, but the offers that came were about what I was expecting. I made a worse first trade for the same reason. It was the best offer on the table. I wouldn't get too hung up on it, honestly. 90 percent of the posts in this thread are GMs egging on other GMs and GMs trying to post pad without JHB'ing. Note: JHB is a former GM that was notorious for making useless posts that were obvious attempts to get posts for the RC reward. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 4, 2016 14:31:37 GMT -6
Its a good reason when you have to make a move. Randle was only getting older and closer to free agency. Losing value quickly. I went through rosters and tried to find a fit, but the offers that came were about what I was expecting. Why did you have to make a move? We're at least 24 hours from FA, probably more. Yeah, I mean thats pretty close? And Heebs was right, he did offer me both my picks. Which, clearly was a way better trade and I fucked up. That was literally within the first hour of being in the league though.... |
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Post by Bruns on Aug 4, 2016 14:33:39 GMT -6
I bet Stone would fetch more than Tobias on the open market, but in order to clear cap he would have to flip him to a team w/ the cap space to absorb the deal
That is correct. I don't have an Uncle Rico in the league that would voluntarily take himself out of the JJ sweep stakes. This must of been the last part of the wedding gift.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:34:07 GMT -6
Why did you have to make a move? We're at least 24 hours from FA, probably more. Yeah, I mean thats pretty close? And Heebs was right, he did offer me both my picks. Which, clearly was a way better trade and I fricked up. That was literally within the first hour of being in the league though.... FUCK |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:35:18 GMT -6
Heebs is vindicated  |
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 14:35:47 GMT -6
Why did you have to make a move? We're at least 24 hours from FA, probably more. Yeah, I mean thats pretty close? And Heebs was right, he did offer me both my picks. Which, clearly was a way better trade and I fricked up. That was literally within the first hour of being in the league though.... If it's me, i'd shop until the very last mimute but heebs is likely right, the return, or lack thereof, here doesnt matter in the long run. You were in a bad situation and just needed out. If every trade you make looks like this though, there might be a problem. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 4, 2016 14:36:21 GMT -6
Your predecessor left you in a shitty situation, but if you are moving your best player you should try to get something of real concrete value in return. These are three draft picks that will likely be in the latter half of the 1st round, where it's hard to find a real difference maker.
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Post by Druce on Aug 4, 2016 14:40:06 GMT -6
Your predecessor left you in a shitty situation, but if you are moving your best player you should try to get something of real concrete value in return. These are three draft picks that will likely be in the latter half of the 1st round, where it's hard to find a real difference maker. unless of course you're eric, and you can find a 30 ppg scorer |
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Post by Bruns on Aug 4, 2016 14:41:28 GMT -6
Soo many shots thrown around. I love it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 14:42:12 GMT -6
Your predecessor left you in a shitty situation, but if you are moving your best player you should try to get something of real concrete value in return. These are three draft picks that will likely be in the latter half of the 1st round, where it's hard to find a real difference maker. At least they are 1.15-1.20 latter half and not 1-25-1.29 latter half |
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Post by SugarShaun on Aug 4, 2016 14:54:36 GMT -6
With this draft not having any good teams holding high picks that had been traded to them it makes it harder to get value. Without that or finding a team looking to end their tank it can be hard to get good value for your players.
It's a bad deal but this isn't going to kill him. In hindsight he should've taken Heebs deal but assuming that was off the table at this point.
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Post by Bruns on Aug 4, 2016 14:58:18 GMT -6
Lets get this to 4 pages Dump!
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Post by Heebs on Aug 4, 2016 15:04:22 GMT -6
It's a bad deal but this isn't going to kill him. In hindsight he should've taken Heebs deal but assuming that was off the table at this point. I may have traded Hornets '37 for Randle, but I don't have cap space so it was pointless. Plus I've had my sister, mom, and nieces staying with us for the last week and didn't have much time for TMBSL. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 4, 2016 15:08:06 GMT -6
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 15:10:34 GMT -6
You gave away a chance at jj for tobias harris. Everything terrible about fecta's performance here is nothing compared to the dumbassery there. |
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Post by Majic on Aug 4, 2016 15:14:44 GMT -6
You gave away a chance at jj for tobias harris. Everything terrible about fecta's performance here is nothing compared to the dumbassery there. I specifically remember almost everyone saying "never bank on free agency" but no, that doesn't work in this instance cause you all want to shit on the deal some more. No, I think trading 1 first for a 27 ppg game guy and trying to bring back a young potential stud in Hoyle is alot smarter of a move. but again, thats just a logical move |
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Post by eric on Aug 4, 2016 15:17:52 GMT -6
i don't see the point in resigning Miner anyway. why not let him walk? you're stuck with a mediocre 38 pick either way, but then you only have decrepit busty P on the books (maybe), you can start tanking for real. if you do sign him you won't have cap room in 3037 FA, so your 3038 choices will be build around late 20s Miner (good luck) or blow it up anyway.
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Post by Bruns on Aug 4, 2016 15:19:30 GMT -6
Preach Eric!
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Post by Odin on Aug 4, 2016 15:20:42 GMT -6
You gave away a chance at jj for tobias harris. Everything terrible about fecta's performance here is nothing compared to the dumbassery there. I specifically remember almost everyone saying "never bank on free agency" but no, that doesn't work in this instance cause you all want to shit on the deal some more. No, I think trading 1 first for a 27 ppg game guy and trying to bring back a young potential stud in Hoyle is alot smarter of a move. but again, thats just a logical move Dont bank on free agency to build a team, that is correct. You have already built a team so thats not what you would have been doing. Guys like Harris are consistently available for an a pick or two and an expiring contract (which any team in your situation should have after fa). Personally, i take the chance on jj and maybe have to pay an additional pick for a wing (which, correct me if im wrong, wont even start for you if hoyle is resigned). |
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