3041 Rookie Ladder (931 views)

[eric]

Preseason and Summer League

First of all I want to stress that this class is just as bad as many thought it would be. I'm even more uncertain about this ladder than I was in 3039, and Chris Paul isn't walking through that door.

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1. Jerry Lucas



The good: he's a top three shot blocker in the rookie class, he's getting shots up, very good rebounder, very good jump shot.
The bad: 20s classes continue to be very light on shot blocking so top three isn't saying much, probably only an average efficiency big scorer.
The ugly: turnovers, and at 6'8" he needs really top notch blocks to manage on the defensive end and he's far from that.
Ladies and gentlemen, your #1 rookie of the 3041 preseason!

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2. Thor Likens



The software combines the name of a god among men in Chris Hemsworth with a Dutch surname meaning "Lil Leaky". Thor rolls like thunder to the rim and good thing because his very poor free throw shooting would submarine a mortal FG%. The Netherlands know their stuff because his shot blocking leaves a lot to be desired, but he's got a huge frame and solid handling. Big men just don't shoot good FG%, and with only B+ Inside his is likely to be a mirage.

Oh God I just got it. Oklahoma City Thunder, Thor. Ugh. Shame on you gbgalla.

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3. Rex Tippitt



Big Rex brings an interesting mix of height, rebounding, and not passing to the point guard position. Did he actually play at PG in the preseason? Who knows. His scoring volume needs work and his passing will probably jump in TC, making it even harder, but the package of 6'7" seven boards a night and plus scoring efficiency doesn't come around that often.

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4. Reggie Harding



Another good looking big man scorer with poor defense. Reg the Hard Way has a more traditional efficiency profile with elite jump shot, the three point shooting is obviously not real but he still projects just above 1 pt/tsa which for a big is very solid. A little worse on the boards and handles than Thor, but you can't teach height.

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5. John Havlicek



Hondo was a man among boys in summer league and a boy among megazords in preseason. He's got the jump shot, he's got the volume, his d/r looks fine for a shooting guard, but that FG%'s gotta come up and quick.

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6. Charlie Hardnett



Chuck was sensational across the board in preseason: elite rebounder and shot blocker in not just this pathetic rookie class but the league, great scoring efficiency, elite handling, only knock was lowish volume. He gets the Ike Diogu mid ladder memorial spot for blitzing a five game sample. We all know the numbers are gonna slip, but which ones and how far will determine if he goes up or down the ladder.

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7. Walt Bellamy



After a very slick summer league Bells is causing tintinnabulation with all the bricks he's throwing at the rim. He's a legit shot blocker but he shoots so much that he needs to bring his %s up to be a net plus player.

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8. Dick McGuire



Tricky McG gave us his best Frank Johnson impression in the preseason and couldn't get rim jumping off the Phoenix gorilla trampoline in summer league. Like Frank he could be promising on a twin towers team, too bad the Warriors only have one good big man.


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9. Ron Horn



Ron's minutes penalty carried over to preseason, but he's not letting a GM manifestly caring so little about him impact his play on the court. Great intangibles on this guy. Didn't shoot too terribly much but was efficient when he did, good rebounder for a small forward. Reminds me of a young Broderick Langhi, and playing at SG may be a better fit for him long term.

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10. Biff Bridges



I heard of Biff Tannen, I heard of Biff Cooper, Bridges ain't no m!@#erf!@#ing Biff I ever heard of, but he's what passes for a d/r big these days so he makes the bottom rung. Gene better hope that A potential is real because BB still needs a lot of help at d and r.

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Honorable mention to Cornell Green for truly sublime handles.

[gbgalla24]

I couldn't not take the god of Thunder.

[MistleTacoe]

Jerry will improve. Not concerned. Just get those TOs down and that shooting percentage up

[MJ]

awwwww yeah

[eric]

day 30 update

If this is what making America great again looks like I'm moving to California.

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1. John Havlicek - LR #5



The volume is obviously a mirage but the efficiency probably isn't, splitting the uprights between summer and preseason. Rebounds very well for a shooting guard. Defense and handling needs work, but with such good scoring efficiency he'll have plenty of SC/RC room to take care of them. Is the only rookie who's legitimately good right now.

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2. Walt Bellamy- LR #7



Another guy splitting summer and preseason efficiencies, giving him pretty good for a big man. His FG% is unsustainably high but we expect his FT% to come up so it should balance out. Pretty good for a big man is still bad though, and while he's second in blocks for guys getting minutes he's still only at two per 36. Rebounding and handling need work too, the hope for Minnesota is that he hits some home run TCs and becomes a d/r guy with a little scoring punch, a white Kobe Maggette if you will.

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3. Connie Hawkins - LR unranked



Hawk was so bad in preseason
HOW BAD WAS HE
Hawk was so bad in preseason he single handedly turned "Connie" into a girl's name because no parent would saddle a boy with it after watching one of his brickfests. He was even investigated for point shaving. I didn't know you could shave points in preseason games. Thanks a lot Trump. Anyway he's a poor man's Havlicek: same rebounding, worse but still average efficiency, worse and very bad handling. He's got quite a bit more size and shot blocking which is good because he'll probably need the camps in offense.

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4. Biff Bridges - LR #10



This class Biff isn't even a good d/r guy but at least he doesn't shoot. You could LLE him and not feel bad about it.

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5. Wayne Hightower - LR unranked



Wayne the Main Brain is putting up much better d/r stats than Biff but he's played twelve seconds so I'm giving Biff the edge for now. They're both 6'8" on top of everything else, that's how much this class stinks.

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6. Jerry Lucas- LR #1



Cool Chilly Ice Cold Hand Luke is terrorizing rims across the league with his ham handed post game and has forgotten how to block shots on top of it. He and Xavier McDaniel form one of the most imposing frontcourts in the league in terms of sabotaging their own team. They're getting outblocked by known Euro stiff Dirk Nowitzki. Not individually. Combined. And he's still #6.

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7. Donnie Butcher - LR unranked



The next great Butch PG? He was bad at everything in preseason but in limited regular time he's decent at rebounding and passing. He's more than doubled his volume which is good, his efficiency still stinks which is bad, but three point ratio likes him a lot. Hopefully he fulfills his promise because I'd really love to have guys besides half competent d/r bigs in the top five.

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8. Russell Panariello - LR unranked



Next up we have a couple slick scorers in tiny minutes. Rusty P is afraid to shoot but when you're part of a bench mob featuring The Great Wayman Tisdale you just gotta give him the ball and get outta the way.

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9. Reggie Harding- LR #4



Reginald has continued his elite for a big man scoring and good enough d/r. Great size and A potential makes him one to watch for the future too. I'd love to see him get some more playing time but when you can get 0.4 blocks in 50 minutes of Ersan Ilyasova and Brad Miller you really can't give the coach any lip.

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10. Zelmo Beatty- LR unranked



Zelmo, the One Without Mercy, was an average scorer before the season and remains Without Defense on top of it, but he's giving you okay scoring so far this season to go with okay rebounding, size, and handling. He stinks, just not as fragrantly as the rest of the class.

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previously ranked

Thor Likens, Charlie Hardnett, Ron Horn: 0 combined MP
Dick McGuire: 38 MP of which 38 were bad
Rex Tippitt: scoring and handling collapsed, defense and rebounding still poor. Other than that he looks like a great PG.

[FectaDEEZ]

Holy shit this class is bad.

[MistleTacoe]

1. Jerry Lucas is properly ranked....really, really hoping his shooting is just a mirage. I think it is because of the preseason and summer league.

2. The idea that X-Man is sabotaging the Warriors is crazy. Here is his stat line:

Xavier McDaniel PF 20 33.6 20.7 10.2 0.9 1.8 0.7 1.6 .491 .688 .000

He's only been playing SF this year. I think most people would take a 20/10 and ~2spg and ~1bpg SF all day.

[2poor]

was thinking Dischinger would sneak in there, i accept the ruling though

[Face-in]

Dec 1, 2016 11:15:06 GMT -6 2poor said:

was thinking Dischinger would sneak in there, i accept the ruling though

Sorry man, Russell Panariello and his 1.7 PPG was too good to leave off.

[2poor]

Dec 1, 2016 11:21:10 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Dec 1, 2016 11:15:06 GMT -6 2poor said:

was thinking Dischinger would sneak in there, i accept the ruling though

Sorry man, Russell Panariello and his 1.7 PPG was too good to leave off.

the percentages though

[eric]

Dec 1, 2016 11:09:49 GMT -6 MistleTacoe said:

2. The idea that X-Man is sabotaging the Warriors is crazy. Here is his stat line:

Xavier McDaniel PF 20 33.6 20.7 10.2 0.9 1.8 0.7 1.6 .491 .688 .000

He's only been playing SF this year. I think most people would take a 20/10 and ~2spg and ~1bpg SF all day.

he's scoring 1.03 pts/tsa and we all know his FG% is gonna go down just like it does every year. 20 ppg isn't good if you score them on bad efficiency. it's never been good. it will never be good. i don't know how many times we have to go over this.

Dec 1, 2016 11:15:06 GMT -6 2poor said:

was thinking Dischinger would sneak in there, i accept the ruling though

terry and stormin' norman major general schwarzkopf are close to getting on the ladder, they just need a little more time to wash off the stink of their preseasons.

[MistleTacoe]

49% is good efficiency!!!!!

[20s Navidad]

Taco uses Wins to evaluate pitchers.

[Trofie]

Beatty is great. Fuck your blocks bitch

[eric]

Dec 1, 2016 20:26:58 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Beatty is great. Fuck your blocks bitch

let's regress team some stats against points allowed per individual possession

[KwYawnza]

Everyone sucks!

[MistleTacoe]

Idk what that graph means but X-Man is great

[eric]

day 60 update

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1. John Havlicek - LR #1



Hondowns.

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2. Connie Hawkins - LR #3



The Hawk's efficiency is probably going to dip a little, but as a bench third option his volume isn't the mirage most rookies' are.

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3. Nobody



That's right, nobody. I've had it with this class. NOBODY GETS TO BE NUMBER THREE

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4. Donnie Butcher - LR #7



The Butcher continues to brick away from three point range, and his ratio continues to suggest he's gonna surge. He's a great rebounder for a point guard and his ast:tov is nice, and A- Outside makes it seem more likely ratio is right, but it's getting a little late.

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5. Reggie Harding- LR #9



The Hard Man is finally getting some PT and justifying it, scoring at great efficiency without taking too many shots and providing average d/r for a rook. SC/TCs should make him a star, and even if he JBCs it he's a decent backup two way big.

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6. Cornell Green - LR unranked



The software loves him, I'm skeptical. He was a horrendous scorer in preseason, he's got up to league average and with no three shot my guess is he ends up halfway in between, which is not good. He also posted sublime handles and poor rebounding in preseason, they've gotten even better and worse respectively. He's got great size but we have very limited data on how a guy progresses from what is probably exactly 5 Three Point Shooting attribute: the attribute itself is just as likely to grow, but what will that mean on the court? TBD.

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7. Russell Panariello - LR #8



His %s continue to tantalize, good d/r/to numbers. He's only 18 but has C shown potential, a guy to keep an eye on in the future for sure.

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8. Walt Bellamy- LR #2



Efficiency completely collapsed, which when you're looking at 15 points a game is a real issue. He is nearly the best shot blocker in the class but would be unplayable as a d/r big. His only good stretch of scoring was summer league, he was even worse in preseason, the omens are not good for the Bells Bells Bells Bells Bells Bells Bells, for the Bells Bells Bells Bells Bells.

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9. Wayne Hightower - LR #5



Got some more PT while Shaq was recuperating on company time, best shot blocker in class, second best rebounder, shoots a little more than I'd like but not too much, good handles. Keeper.

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10. Cris Schayes - LR unranked



3PR projects the young fella as decent efficiency. He doesn't have volume defense or rebounding, and he passes too much, but he has one possible strength.

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previously ranked

Biff Bridges - started shooting more and blocking less, so he made like a tree and got out of here
Jerry Lucas - actually improved somewhat going against bench players, but still stinks. Would be neck and neck with Bellamy if he were three inches taller. You get it? Neck and neck? Taller?
Zelmo Beatty - wasn't far on, isn't far off

[2poor]

oh come on

[Majic]

I believe you messed up the name or stats for #10

[eric]

majic is right, #10's stats should have been:
24 14.9 55 122 0.451 16 20 0.8 12 34 0.353 1.6 2.7 0.5 0.1 0.9 0 5.8

also i did the analysis on day 60 but those pictures are of day 70 stats.

[Trofie]

Makes you wonder how many of Eric's fuck ups go unnoticed in order to avoid him. Makes you think.

[eric]

Dec 8, 2016 11:30:01 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Makes you wonder how many of Eric's fuck ups go unnoticed in order to avoid him. Makes you think.

as always i fully invite anyone else to make a competing ladder. i'll even send you the spread sheet.

[Trofie]

Dec 8, 2016 12:19:35 GMT -6 eric said:

Dec 8, 2016 11:30:01 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Makes you wonder how many of Eric's fuck ups go unnoticed in order to avoid him. Makes you think.

as always i fully invite anyone else to make a competing ladder. i'll even send you the spread sheet.

Please send it to me.  [e-mail]

[MistleTacoe]

Lucas is slowly improving against shittier players since he started getting bench minutes.

[eric]

day 90 update

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1. John Havlicek - LR #1



Hondo's efficiency is just starting to flirt with below average. It doesn't matter for this class but going forward he needs to shore it up.

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2. Cornell Green - LR #6



He hasn't really gotten any better but the rest of the class has gotten so, so much worse. He is who we thought he was.

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3. Russell Panariello - LR #7



Rusty's really growing on me. Efficient scorer who barely shoots, very nice defense, positively sublime handling. There's a lot of ways to go with a guy like this, all of them good.

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4. Wayne Hightower - LR #9



He's a d/r guy.

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5. Cris Schayes - LR #10



Another sweet scorer, but with enough volume that it's plausible he becomes a legitimate one someday, and good thing because he's not giving you anything else.

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6. Connie Hawkins - LR #2



Oh Hawk. I was rooting for you! We were all rooting for you!! If Havlicek's efficiency is flirting with bad, Hawk's buying it a second drink. Get your s!@# together, "Connie", if that is your real name, which I doubt.

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7. Terry Dischenger - LR unranked



The Dish Rag finally makes it on the ladder, though he won't be on for long if his GM keeps sabotaging his campaign. Very good size and rebounding for a guard, 3PR projects him as league average scoring.

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8. Walt Bellamy- LR #8



Bells is still skating by on his elite for this class defense. Long term his ceiling looks like Tristan Thompson. Not great, Bob.

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9. Reggie Harding- LR #5



r^2 dr's efficiency is slipping but still a plus, and he's d/ring enough for this class.

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10. Dick McGuire - LR unranked



Looks like we've still got Dick McGuire to kick around. He's undersized but he's also a bad defender. Projects as decent efficiency and has always had a good ast:tov.

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previously ranked
Donnie Butcher: had a red hot streak from three but went ice cold from two
Nobody: said it was easy, no one ever said it would be this hard

[20s Navidad]

Coldplay reference

[MistleTacoe]

Finally the Warriors break back into the top 10 rookies

[gbgalla24]

Thor is playing some great ball in his couple minutes here and there.

[eric]

Dec 9, 2016 12:31:52 GMT -6 gbgalla24 said:

Thor is playing some great ball in his couple minutes here and there.

sounds like you need to have a word with Nuggets great Billy Donovan