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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 12, 2017 12:19:13 GMT -6
when a player is killed and they are a power role, it is revealed.
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 12:19:31 GMT -6
All of his posts have been reactive rather than proactivea anything else? we don't have much to go on so I don't want to throw my vote at someone at this point in the game without a little more info. Thats enough for me |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 12:19:52 GMT -6
when a player is killed and they are a power role, it is revealed. Thanks. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 12:21:47 GMT -6
So the silencer either decided NOT to silence someone ORRRRRRR they tried to silence 20s again and Soup said they couldn't silence the same person twice.
Based on his statement that the rule wasn't clear that you couldn't silence the same person twice, I suspect he would have been lenient and let the silencer silence someone else.
So why the hell does the mafia NOT silence someone here?
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:22:26 GMT -6
To establish credibility. Because he is the one who brought rv back for this game so he had a soft spot for him (I think this is most likely). And if he is a civ, he didn't know rv was a civ so he wasn't being so adamant to not kill a civ, he was being adamant that we don't kill rv who could be any role. My case made for Rv had nothing to do with him being a Civ or not.   My case has been clear.  I hate when people take a easy way out and vote for the weak or use a random generated list.   It does nothing to spur on discussion and leaves the town with zero to work on day 1.  So he could say that he campaigned to save RVs life. Why would he be so adamant that RV is innocent? He had just as much of a chance to be mafia as anyone else. I didn't say Rv was innocent... never once.  You just fucked up.  my guess is that 20s was self-silenced and only intended for his vote to signify that he was silenced, not to indicate that he's the cop. Since people overwhelmingly went along w/ him, it made him a bigger investigation target for the real cop. If 20s self silenced and is still alive I feel like 20s is 100% mafia.  If your mafia and you know you didn't silence anyone and you know 20s just picked off one of your own how in the world do you not kill him last night?  He's one of the better players in this game and he just made a huge power play that fucked your Mafia unit up. I am the cop. I was trying to think of if there is any way I could parlay the cloud of suspicion many of you currently have on me into more info for the town, but I haven't been able to come up with a scenario where that works. This is because if I tell you guys I am not the cop and just a regular civ or even don't say that and leave it open that I am mafia, I'm probably not getting bodyguard protection and I'm not getting any investigations in anyway. I am very confident the mafia believes I am the cop at this point since so they will want to take me out. I think our best bet as the town is to give myself bodyguard protection so we can get a 1 for 1 mafia for cop exchange. Then they will only have one left. However, since there is a barman, maybe they won't be concerned with taking me out since I can't investigate successfully anyway. But I am close to verified civ status so who knows. Anyway, results of my investigations: Night 1: SPL - Mafia Night 2: someone - blocked by barman Not sure saying who it was on Night 2 would be of any help and would give the mafia more info If the mafia thought you were the Cop you would be dead.   There is zero chance you are alive if trully a civilian at this point.  You coming out asking for protection yet hiding info on us leads me to belive you are not Mafia. I didn't say that you said he was innocent. He was proven an innocent after the fact. So, you could say that you told people not to vote for him in an attempt to gain credibility |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 12:27:13 GMT -6
The most suspicious thing with bankz was when he was saying it didn't make sense to give me BG protection. The rest can be explained just as a civ who was wrong but hot on that trail of wrongness and following it. Arguing to not protect me last night makes no sense as a civ even if you suspected me as possible mafia. So from that standpoint he is either suspect or just was being dumb. I almost think he has been playing too suspect/obvious to be mafia because mafia would attempt to hide it better. I think it's this simple: If SPL is mafia, BG obviously protects 20s and cop (if you're not 20s) investigate 20s. . I think this is 100% spot on. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:28:06 GMT -6
All of his posts have been reactive rather than proactive I have a weird feeling that Odin is a secret role (village idiot) because he has been saying a lot of things that are the opposite of the truth. It was proactive when I made my vote before anyone else. It was proactive when I identified who was silenced after night 1. I was the first vote on day 2 as well, iirc. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:29:48 GMT -6
Day 3*
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 12:36:42 GMT -6
Not impressed
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 12:40:29 GMT -6
Give me a good reason to vote for anyone else
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 12:41:16 GMT -6
I may live to regret going with bankz on this vote, but im gonna go with gbg
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Post by Bankz on Jul 12, 2017 12:46:00 GMT -6
I may live to regret going with bankz on this vote, but im gonna go with gbgI'm not leading the charge on GBG Odin is... Odin is making the case for GBG and thus far his prosecution is stronger than GBG defense. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 12:47:16 GMT -6
I may live to regret going with bankz on this vote, but im gonna go with gbgI'm not leading the charge on GBG Odin is... Odin is making the case for GBG and thus far his prosecution is stronger than GBG defense. the vote is between the two of you now. so a vote for gbg is esentially a voteto keep you. basically. I still don't trust you. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:49:04 GMT -6
Give me a good reason to vote for anyone else Aside from Bankz trying his damnedest to make sure 20's didn't get BG protection all last round, I don't think we really have much to go on. I'm guessing they were going to play it off as Bankz was silenced to see how we reacted, and when it didn't help Bankz decided to try to defend himself. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:50:18 GMT -6
I may live to regret going with bankz on this vote, but im gonna go with gbgI'm not leading the charge on GBG Odin is... Odin is making the case for GBG and thus far his prosecution is stronger than GBG defense. You voted for me before Odin made any case. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 12, 2017 12:53:07 GMT -6
Odin hasn't said one thing that was correct about me. He said I was most active day 1... I had 2 posts and was mia all night. I've been reactive all game... only thing I did reactive was follow 20's when he voted for SPL in bold underlined letters. Aside from that I've been proactive, voting early, and trying to find potential civilians.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 12:58:19 GMT -6
Odin has been way too active for him to be a civ based on his previous play and his previous statements. He has flat out said he would not be active if he was a vanilla civ. He is some type of power role IMO.
It's possible that role is as bodyguard but there is a 2/3 chance it is silencer or barman.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 12:58:52 GMT -6
I would like to hear non-odin voters reasoning for gbg.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 12:59:38 GMT -6
I'm not leading the charge on GBG Odin is... Odin is making the case for GBG and thus far his prosecution is stronger than GBG defense. the vote is between the two of you now. so a vote for gbg is esentially a voteto keep you. basically. I still don't trust you. Why does the vote have to be between them? I think they are both Civs, but I am more suspicious of bankz at this point. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 13:03:37 GMT -6
Gbg led the charge on finding out who was silenced Day 1 and was backing me up and sticking up for me.
The idea of him as mafia only makes any sense if I am mafia.
I know I'm not mafia and have said I'm the cop so I don't see much reason to suspect GBG at this point.
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Post by Heebs on Jul 12, 2017 13:03:46 GMT -6
I could see Odin.
After 20s came out for SPL he said 20s, SPL, and GBG were mafia. Voted for GBG. Then, after it was clear SPL was a goner, switched to SPL.
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 13:05:15 GMT -6
Odin has been way too active for him to be a civ based on his previous play and his previous statements. He has flat out said he would not be active if he was a vanilla civ. He is some type of power role IMO. It's possible that role is as bodyguard but there is a 2/3 chance it is silencer or barman. Maybe im just playing the game so this bullshit logic stops getting me killed early |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 12, 2017 13:06:24 GMT -6
the vote is between the two of you now. so a vote for gbg is esentially a voteto keep you. basically. I still don't trust you. Why does the vote have to be between them? I think they are both Civs, but I am more suspicious of bankz at this point. because it seemed like that is where the vote is heading and I suspect them both right now. Bankz was suspicious yesterday in his hesitancy to kill spl. early in the game that comes off as odd to me. as soon as votes started coming in on GBG he started talking about secret roles and shit. IMO if I'm on the chopping block as a mafia, thats exactly what I would do. start mentioning secret roles that I or someone attacking me may have to push votes another way. |
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 13:06:37 GMT -6
I could see Odin. After 20s came out for SPL he said 20s, SPL, and GBG were mafia. Voted for GBG. Then, after it was clear SPL was a goner, switched to SPL. That proves nothing except i was confident about two mafia. Note my gbg vote this round. |
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 13:07:27 GMT -6
I could believe bankz is maf
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 13:07:39 GMT -6
Odin is who I tried to investigate last night FWIW. Just to show that I was suspicious of him during my silenced day. Now that we are talking about him as a suspect I don't think it matters if the mafia knows I suspected him.
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 13:09:00 GMT -6
By all means, investigate me again
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 13:09:00 GMT -6
Odin has been way too active for him to be a civ based on his previous play and his previous statements. He has flat out said he would not be active if he was a vanilla civ. He is some type of power role IMO. It's possible that role is as bodyguard but there is a 2/3 chance it is silencer or barman. Maybe im just playing the game so this bullshit logic stops getting me killed early You're literally the one who created the logic when YOU SAID THIS WAS EXACTLY THE CASE. How can you bitch about "bullshit logic" when you are the one who established the logic when you were called out for being inactive. |
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Post by Odin on Jul 12, 2017 13:10:28 GMT -6
Maybe im just playing the game so this bullshit logic stops getting me killed early You're literally the one who created the logic when YOU SAID THIS WAS EXACTLY THE CASE. How can you bitch about "bullshit logic" when you are the one who established the logic when you were called out for being inactive. Yes, i said that, at about game 3 or 4. Then everyome started killing me off early. I didnt like it so my only choices were to play correctly or not at all, so ive been trying to do that. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 12, 2017 13:11:48 GMT -6
Why does the vote have to be between them? I think they are both Civs, but I am more suspicious of bankz at this point. because it seemed like that is where the vote is heading and I suspect them both right now. Bankz was suspicious yesterday in his hesitancy to kill spl. early in the game that comes off as odd to me. as soon as votes started coming in on GBG he started talking about secret roles and shit. IMO if I'm on the chopping block as a mafia, thats exactly what I would do. start mentioning secret roles that I or someone attacking me may have to push votes another way. The vote only heads that way if we vote that way. mafia members are the only ones who really benefit from the vote zeroing in on one or two people. That is why we see them bandwagoning votes. Voting for people just because they are somehow who already has votes is a big mistake as town or a mafia tell. We limit ourselves too much by only considering a few people each round. |
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