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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 17:36:10 GMT -6
Spurs send: Lonzo Ball Hornets send: Budda Baker Hornets 56 1st Hornets 57 1st Michael Dunigan Accept. FectaDEEZ |
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Post by eric on Jan 26, 2018 17:39:14 GMT -6
veto
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 17:40:03 GMT -6
You had your opportunity. Enjoy 9th place next season. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 26, 2018 17:47:46 GMT -6
yep
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Post by Odin on Jan 26, 2018 17:52:45 GMT -6
veto
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Post by MistleTacoe on Jan 26, 2018 17:58:51 GMT -6
Chauncey Billups = 3 1sts and 5k SPL bucks
Lonzo = 2 1sts & a prospect
Yikes.
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Post by Heebs on Jan 26, 2018 18:20:56 GMT -6
No.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 26, 2018 18:25:24 GMT -6
Chauncey Billups = 3 1sts and 5k SPL bucks Lonzo = 2 1sts & a prospect Yikes. Look at their stats, look at their age and look at their contracts. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 26, 2018 18:26:39 GMT -6
Really?? No collusion and both teams want this trade. It is also not that lopsided, Lonzo is 32 going on 33, on a huge contract and declined this year across the board. I was hesitant to even pull the trigger on this. |
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Post by Heebs on Jan 26, 2018 18:40:32 GMT -6
I'm not going to get in the middle of a debate on this. So here is the deal.
If by Sunday morning the Spurs don't have a better offer for Lonzo, this deal will be processed.
It's a shitty deal, but the a GM needs to make a better offer or deal with the consequences.
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 18:41:15 GMT -6
A comparison of rookie seasons:
Lonzo: 76 34.7 445 1060 .420 270 329 .821 57 181 .315 5.9 9.6 2.5 0.3 2.6 3 16.0
Budda: 79 23.3 451 1051 .429 146 169 .864 77 225 .342 2.3 6.1 0.9 0.2 1.3 2 14.2
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 18:43:38 GMT -6
I will also add that my team, despite winning 63 games, couldn't do shit and got swept in the first round of the playoffs.
Lonzo was getting older and becoming less effective. I had absolutely no assets to improve the team around him as I didn't have a first round pick until 3059. I could've banked on Jed Bartlett offsetting the declines of Lonzo, Mikki, Chriss, and Mason in a few years but that seemed even riskier than a deal like this.
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 18:44:25 GMT -6
Chauncey Billups = 3 1sts and 5k SPL bucks Lonzo = 2 1sts & a prospect Yikes. Your three firsts won't be worth shit as long as you have Luka. Charlotte's might not be either, but I also get to dump a $22,000,000 contract. |
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Post by Cinco de Wardo on Jan 26, 2018 18:44:47 GMT -6
I'm not going to get in the middle of a debate on this. So here is the deal. If by Sunday morning the Spurs don't have a better offer for Lonzo, this deal will be processed. It's a shitty deal, but the a GM needs to make a better offer or deal with the consequences. what incentive does he have to tell you he even got another offer though? |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 18:46:13 GMT -6
I'm not going to get in the middle of a debate on this. So here is the deal. If by Sunday morning the Spurs don't have a better offer for Lonzo, this deal will be processed. It's a shitty deal, but the a GM needs to make a better offer or deal with the consequences. what incentive does he have to tell you he even got another offer though? Post them publicly if you want. My other offer was from Majic as a bigger part of the Mason deal, and was basically an addition of three firsts in exchange for Lonzo. So which do I do? Three shitty firsts, or two shitty firsts and Budda? |
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Post by Majic on Jan 26, 2018 19:02:10 GMT -6
this trade getting vetoed while the Dunn trade didn’t would be amazing “Market dictates value” “Best offer he got” “You never know where picks may end up” “draft is a crap shoot”  |
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Post by eric on Jan 26, 2018 19:02:41 GMT -6
 A comparison of rookie seasons: Lonzo: 76 34.7 445 1060 .420 270 329 .821 57 181 .315 5.9 9.6 2.5 0.3 2.6 3 16.0 Budda: 79 23.3 451 1051 .429 146 169 .864 77 225 .342 2.3 6.1 0.9 0.2 1.3 2 14.2 there are terrible rookies every year who never amount to anything. pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 xp/t mp
0.985 0.21 2.84 5.97 20.09 1.000 2752
0.981 0.12 2.73 4.18 13.35 0.989 2542
0.979 0.31 3.69 6.12 16.60 1.003 2637 one of those guys is currently bouncing around the league on MLEs one was on a minimum last year the other is lonzo ball you're manifestly more likely to get a scrub than lonzo starting with his kind of stats make a terrible deal if you want, but there's an old saying in sim league: don't piss up my leg's cape and call me superman
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Post by SPL on Jan 26, 2018 19:30:29 GMT -6
this trade getting vetoed while the Dunn trade didn’t would be amazing “Market dictates value” “Best offer he got” “You never know where picks may end up” “draft is a crap shoot” I have won 2 championships since I traded Dunn 3 seasons ago. |
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Post by Majic on Jan 26, 2018 20:30:42 GMT -6
this trade getting vetoed while the Dunn trade didn’t would be amazing “Market dictates value” “Best offer he got” “You never know where picks may end up” “draft is a crap shoot” I have won 2 championships since I traded Dunn 3 seasons ago. I am not denying that the ultimate outcome was idea however in a vacuum that Dunn deal was bad, and still Is to this day if you don’t get Rory at the spot you got her then everything looks different, but you did i don’t mean to take anything away from you. The building of your team was fascinating to watch and ultimately great |
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Post by TimPig on Jan 26, 2018 21:18:53 GMT -6
I feel obligated to post every trade offer I receive in this thread.
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Post by Face-in on Jan 26, 2018 21:24:25 GMT -6
I guess league integrity no longer matters  |
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Post by SPL on Jan 27, 2018 1:08:57 GMT -6
I have won 2 championships since I traded Dunn 3 seasons ago. I am not denying that the ultimate outcome was idea however in a vacuum that Dunn deal was bad, and still Is to this day if you don’t get Rory at the spot you got her then everything looks different, but you did i don’t mean to take anything away from you. The building of your team was fascinating to watch and ultimately great I am not defending this trade, however I am defending the Dunn trade and I will because ultimately my plan worked out the way I was hopiyit would. I put Dunn on the market and people made offers on my bigs and back up PG rather than Dunn. Once this offer came on the board I thought. 1) I could hopefully get in top 5 and get Rory. At the end of the season I went from 4 odds to 7 odds but I still obtained my objective. 2) I will acquire more Hornets assets (already owned a future pick of his) that I could use as leverage to him in a trade to obtain an asset. 3) this will allow me to bottom out in salary to sign players of value in FA and flip. |
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Post by Odin on Jan 27, 2018 9:36:20 GMT -6
My offer is better
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Post by TimPig on Jan 27, 2018 14:53:42 GMT -6
I'd really love to understand what your interest in Lonzo is since you just traded away one of the top SGs in the league and were attempting to get rid of your aging point guard. |
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Post by Heebs on Jan 28, 2018 10:31:53 GMT -6
The following trade for a 32 year old expiring center was veto'd and I was forced to make a "fair" offer.
Nets send
OG
Prince
Bogut
Kings 47
Nets 48
Pacers send
Ewing
I will be following that precedent here.
Try again guys.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 28, 2018 11:22:15 GMT -6
The following trade for a 32 year old expiring center was veto'd and I was forced to make a "fair" offer. Nets send OG Prince Bogut Kings 47 Nets 48 Pacers send Ewing I will be following that precedent here. Try again guys. Looking back that would have been a good trade for Pacers. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 28, 2018 11:26:20 GMT -6
Really though, I think this is kinda of ridiculous that this is being vetoed. It is not the job of the members of the league or the commissioner to ensure that every trade is "fair" to their standards. Outside of collusion, protecting the balance of the league, taking advantage of a new GM or not allowing a bored GM to ruin the league trade's should not be vetoed.
Just because you don't see Budda as a big trade piece doesn't mean that Tim and I don't. I legitimately believe that this is is a fair offer for Lonzo, and one that I was not even sure I wanted to make ( Because I, wrongly or rightly believe Budda is going to be really good and Tim does too).
Value is in the eye of the beholder here, what you might say is a better offer Tim might not think of it that way and should be allowed to make trades that he feels will help his team.
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Post by TimPig on Jan 28, 2018 11:30:05 GMT -6
I received one other offer from the Nuggets:
Hawks 56-59 firsts
30,000 bucks
Frank Ntilikina
Four firsts certainly looks better than two, but ultimately that's four firsts that will be very late every year because Odin decided to trade Chapman to the Hawks to join Morris and Tim Thomas.
Frank N. is an aging PG who gives me nothing and is exactly what I'm trying to rid myself of.
At least Budda is a prospect. I tried to actually have a negotiation with Odin and suggest we try and work something around Adoree, but naturally was ignored. I also reached out to Ward about Randy Moss and was declined.
Honestly I'm pretty limited here.
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Post by eric on Jan 28, 2018 11:40:56 GMT -6
Really though, I think this is kinda of ridiculous that this is being vetoed. It is not the job of the members of the league or the commissioner to ensure that every trade is "fair" to their standards. Outside of collusion, protecting the balance of the league, taking advantage of a new GM or not allowing a bored GM to ruin the league trade's should not be vetoed. This is exactly why the trade should be vetoed, because you're factually incorrect about how good a prospect Budda has demonstrated himself to be so far. With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds, which on top of having more firsts that are also further away gives him much better odds of finding an actual prospect. This is at the cost of one year of (maybe) having a decent point guard if he can't find a way to move him too, and if Budda actually is a decent PG like you claim then there's no cost at all. |
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Jan 28, 2018 11:50:07 GMT -6
Really though, I think this is kinda of ridiculous that this is being vetoed. It is not the job of the members of the league or the commissioner to ensure that every trade is "fair" to their standards. Outside of collusion, protecting the balance of the league, taking advantage of a new GM or not allowing a bored GM to ruin the league trade's should not be vetoed. This is exactly why the trade should be vetoed, because you're factually incorrect about how good a prospect Budda has demonstrated himself to be so far. With the 30k dump bucks from the Nuggets offer alone Tim could buy ten late firsts / early seconds, which on top of having more firsts that are also further away gives him much better odds of finding an actual prospect. This is at the cost of one year of (maybe) having a decent point guard if he can't find a way to move him too, and if Budda actually is a decent PG like you claim then there's no cost at all. The thing is that Tim might like Budda more than ( 6 ) late firsts. Tim can easily acquire dump bucks so they don’t have the same value to him as others. Also, your opinion on budda is just that, an opinion. Tim might see his grades and potential and thinks he can be good. Value is not an objective measure. also in terms of balance of the league, this makes my team a little better but still probably a fringe top 5 team and Tim’s team will suck whether he gives me Lonzo or gives Odin’s Offer. |
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