Achievements/Rewards - Official Thread (14,718 views)

[Heebs]

Injury removal sounds like a terrible idea until it isn't (ie, when I need to use it).

[Odin]

No to injury removal.
Yes to something like the hgh thing.
Yes to completely revamping the scouting system into a predraft something system. If that means draft classes need to come early so be it.
Yes to fake sims to test DCs.
Yes to all of heebs suggestions about achievements.
Yes to 5x5 should be worth more.
Bankz you can go back to the point when we started doing all of this, assuming the box scores for those are still up and they should be, or to the point you took over the team (for GMs who joined after this started)
No to loyalty gains. Unless you have data to prove it means something.

[Odin]

what if it was hgh thing + reset pot to 50?

or is that too much?

[Bankz]

<3 you Odin

[Odin]

or what about just a pot to 50 reward? the player would most likely see no gains in tc but would extend his career by 3-4 years

[Souper Troopers]

Feb 24, 2015 13:14:36 GMT -6 Odin said:

or what about just a pot to 50 reward? the player would most likely see no gains in tc but would extend his career by 3-4 years

just my two cents i would leave the potential where it's at and just reset the other attribute grades to what they were prior to TC


i would also make the reward more than 10k

[Odin]

currently working on a new scouting/predraft camp system. share ideas if you have them.

[Souper Troopers]

Feb 24, 2015 14:14:32 GMT -6 Odin said:

currently working on a new scouting/predraft camp system. share ideas if you have them.

i like the summer league of rookie teams idea.


i didnt think there was anything wrong with the scouting from before, people just need to calm the fuck down.

[Bankz]

I have no issues with the current scouting... I would just prefer to see rookie games. I think it would give a better indication of who can ball out over x amount of games.

[Lazy Pete]

I've said before that I think the scouting is good as it currently is written EXCEPT that the cutoff to submit scouting should be before the draft starts. People can submit their scouting requests throughout the season and you can either do it as we go during the season or release scouting info right before the draft or playoffs

[Souper Troopers]

Feb 24, 2015 14:42:15 GMT -6 Lazy Pete said:

EXCEPT that the cutoff to submit scouting should be before the draft starts. People can submit their scouting requests throughout the season and you can either do it as we go during the season or release scouting info right before the draft or playoffs

which 3 players do you scout if you're drafting at 8?

what happens if a guy slips to you?

what happens if you move up in the draft?

trying to project which 3 guys will be there when you pick is damn near impossible

[Odin]

Yeah, I don't understand why people want to get it all done before the draft. IT would be pretty useless.


Then let's say I'm not doing something different with scouting. What would you guys like to see from a predraft camp thing? Just games? Anything else?

[Souper Troopers]

Feb 24, 2015 15:02:40 GMT -6 Odin said:

Yeah, I don't understand why people want to get it all done before the draft. IT would be pretty useless.


Then let's say I'm not doing something different with scouting. What would you guys like to see from a predraft camp thing? Just games? Anything else?

i think the games would be the most you need to do.  Dont want to start getting too revealing when it comes to shit.

[Deleted]

No more scouting whatsoever

[IanBoyd]

get rid of true potential scout and add a summer combine type game thing once every few seasons (too demanding to do it every year)

[Lazy Pete]

I understand the risk of scouting before the draft. But do teams in the real draft get to stop the clock and go work out a few guys once they know who's around when they're up?

Here's another thought. Each team gets one free scouting that they can use before the draft. You get to select three players to compare, but it has to be done before the draft. It's up to the GM to identify which players they want to compare, meaning you'll have to ID the guys who will likely fall to your spot, but you don't lose anything if they aren't there.

[Souper Troopers]

Feb 24, 2015 15:31:43 GMT -6 Lazy Pete said:

I understand the risk of scouting before the draft. But do teams in the real draft get to stop the clock and go work out a few guys once they know who's around when they're up?

Here's another thought. Each team gets one free scouting that they can use before the draft. You get to select three players to compare, but it has to be done before the draft. It's up to the GM to identify which players they want to compare, meaning you'll have to ID the guys who will likely fall to your spot, but you don't lose anything if they aren't there.

i mean you cant compare what we do to the real draft or real life period.


we used to do your second part but limit it to the lotto picks.

[IanBoyd]

that is a huge fucking hassle if everyone gets to use a free scout, that was the reason why we got rid of it in 2.0. Wasted like an hr going through answering a dozen PMs then checking prospects individually

[Face-in]

The wait in between picks for people to get their scouting info is brutal. I like the idea of having scouting done before the draft and making the prices cheaper.

[Odin]

Here's what I'm thinking:

1. Get rid of all current scouting


2. Have a draft camp that works something like:

The draft file is completed the day between TC and Sim 1. Seems like the ideal time to do it.
4 GMs (don't care who. conf finals participants maybe? or whatever) draft teams of twelve. Those four teams then do a triple round robin tournament with each round being posted at different points in the season. (Day 40, 80 and 120)

There will be purchasable scouting things that will be revealed in the thread and seen by everyone. Only players picked for the 4 teams will be included. Must be bought before the start of the playoffs.

Top 5 in following drills: bench (strength), vertical (jumping), lane agility (quickness)
Along with that, I will choose 5 ratings (jumper, post d, whatever) and rank 8 players in the same manner used by the current scouting system. I choose the ratings and the players. You can pay to reveal the names on the list. The ratings will be different each year.
prices tbd



that's about it. i think anything else would be too much. overall this would be about the same amount of scouting i've been doing but a bit more restricted. and it gets everything done before the playoffs so the draft will be able to move as fast as possible. would probably cut the length of the season by a day or two

[Odin]

I wonder if any of that makes sense.

[Heebs]

Feb 24, 2015 15:51:29 GMT -6 Face-in said:

The wait in between picks for people to get their scouting info is brutal. I like the idea of having scouting done before the draft and making the prices cheaper.

This is ideal, but if it is cheaper more people will do more of it, which makes more work for Odin.

[Heebs]

Feb 24, 2015 15:58:40 GMT -6 Odin said:

Here's what I'm thinking:

1. Get rid of all current scouting


2. Have a draft camp that works something like:

The draft file is completed the day between TC and Sim 1. Seems like the ideal time to do it.
4 GMs (don't care who. conf finals participants maybe? or whatever) draft teams of twelve. Those four teams then do a triple round robin tournament with each round being posted at different points in the season. (Day 40, 80 and 120)

There will be purchasable scouting things that will be revealed in the thread and seen by everyone. Only players picked for the 4 teams will be included. Must be bought before the start of the playoffs.

Top 5 in following drills: bench (strength), vertical (jumping), lane agility (quickness)
Along with that, I will choose 5 ratings (jumper, post d, whatever) and rank 8 players in the same manner used by the current scouting system. I choose the ratings and the players. You can pay to reveal the names on the list. The ratings will be different each year.
prices tbd



that's about it. i think anything else would be too much. overall this would be about the same amount of scouting i've been doing but a bit more restricted. and it gets everything done before the playoffs so the draft will be able to move as fast as possible. would probably cut the length of the season by a day or two

Makes sense to me.  I'd like to see 6 teams instead of 4, but I'm not the one doing the work so I'm not going to complain.

Would it be possible to switch up the depth charts for each games so we don't have 30+ minutes of 20 guys and a smattering of minutes for the other 28?

[Odin]

Feb 24, 2015 16:07:59 GMT -6 Heebs said:

Feb 24, 2015 15:58:40 GMT -6 Odin said:

Here's what I'm thinking:

1. Get rid of all current scouting


2. Have a draft camp that works something like:

The draft file is completed the day between TC and Sim 1. Seems like the ideal time to do it.
4 GMs (don't care who. conf finals participants maybe? or whatever) draft teams of twelve. Those four teams then do a triple round robin tournament with each round being posted at different points in the season. (Day 40, 80 and 120)

There will be purchasable scouting things that will be revealed in the thread and seen by everyone. Only players picked for the 4 teams will be included. Must be bought before the start of the playoffs.

Top 5 in following drills: bench (strength), vertical (jumping), lane agility (quickness)
Along with that, I will choose 5 ratings (jumper, post d, whatever) and rank 8 players in the same manner used by the current scouting system. I choose the ratings and the players. You can pay to reveal the names on the list. The ratings will be different each year.
prices tbd



that's about it. i think anything else would be too much. overall this would be about the same amount of scouting i've been doing but a bit more restricted. and it gets everything done before the playoffs so the draft will be able to move as fast as possible. would probably cut the length of the season by a day or two

Makes sense to me.  I'd like to see 6 teams instead of 4, but I'm not the one doing the work so I'm not going to complain.

Would it be possible to switch up the depth charts for each games so we don't have 30+ minutes of 20 guys and a smattering of minutes for the other 28?

yeah, DCs could be changed. that's one of the reasons i wanted to break up the rounds. i'd limit it to one DC per round though

I like 4 teams because it keeps the number of players involved to a minimum. with only 48 players included there can still be big time sleepers that are skipped over. plus it allows us to make classes smaller than 72 people. although not ideal, i don't see much more than 60 in these classes from the 50s.

[Lazy Pete]

I like it at first glance

[20s Navidad]

Love the idea odin. Sounds great.

[Odin]

Feb 24, 2015 16:16:18 GMT -6 20s Navidad said:

Love the idea odin. Sounds great.

could probably start with the 15 draft if you want to get those profiles up in time.

[Bankz]

Sorry I'm a bit confused. Does everyone get to see the game results? But has to purchase the combine names?

[Odin]

Feb 24, 2015 16:56:24 GMT -6 Bankz said:

Sorry I'm a bit confused. Does everyone get to see the game results? But has to purchase the combine names?

everyoe sees everything. if one person buys it everyone sees it. the games are free though.

[Deleted]

are we still doing "create a prospect" and what are the rules?