3016 Rookie TC (517 views)

[Citizen Cane]

Round 1

1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B+ B C B C B
1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22  B B C B C B (-1)

This went just how TMBSL wanted it to go once Canes (I) won #1. Canes passed on trading Selvy for Oscar against the advice of pretty much everyone. He goes a strong -1 inside scoring. Another great decision from Canes. Selvy goes into the pile of Canes mistakes. That amazing Nike Summit camp isn't looking so great now.

2. Trailblazers - Bob Pettit C 6'10'' 248 22 B+ C- C B B+ B
2. Trailblazers - Bob Pettit C 6'10'' 253 22 B+ C- C- B+ A- A (+2) (+1 Por) 

A controversial pick at #2 after a sub-par Nike Summit where he was dominated by Art Spoelstra, Pettit rewards Duc with a good TC including a potential bump. There was a slight decrease in handles but it isn't concerning considering the rest of TC. However, Petit has good grades for a starting Center already. Duc pumps that jump shot with a +8 and it will likely be smooth sailing for Pettit in the future. This looks like the right pick as of now.

3. Clippers  - Dutch Burch PG 6'2'' 204 22 C+ B- B- C+ D+ A
3. Clippers  - Dutch Burch PG 6'2'' 209 22 B- B B C+ C- A (+4)

In a shock to nobody, Dirt trades up to take his controversially created player. Dirt's created player rewards him with some TC love and a +4.


4. Jazz - Art Spoelstra C 6'11" 249 22 B D+ D+ B- A- C
4. Jazz - Art Spoelstra C 6'11" 254 22 B D+ C- B- A- B (+1) (+1 pot)

2poor took a risk and took the suprise of the Nike Summit Art Spoelstra hoping he would be the next George McCloud. The potential bump was nice but the rest, not so much. Let this be a warning to the rest of the GMs, don't put too much stock into the summit camp.

5. Hornets - Tex Silverman PF 6'10'' 272 21 B+ D+ D+ B B B
5. Hornets - Tex Silverman PF 6'10'' 277 21 B+ D+ D+ B+ B+ A (+2) (+1 pot)

Hard to complain about this TC from Big Tex when you look at some of the other TCs. He increased in the two defensive categories and bumped up to A potential. When you look at the trail of tears from the next few picks, RV should be very happy with this TC.

6. Bobcats - Irv Bemoras PG 6'1'' 197 22 B- B- B- C+ D+ A
6. Bobcats - Irv Bemoras PG 6'1'' 197 22 B- B- B C+ D+ A (+1)

Odin went all in on PG's in this draft. Round 1 didn't go so well a +1 in handles isn't promising. Odin is going to have to make a decision whether to pump points into Irv or move on pretty quickly.

7. Warriors  - Gene Dyker SF 23 6'7 229 B- C+ C+ C+ C+ A
7. Warriors -  Gene Dyker SF 23 6'7 229 B- C+ C B C+ A (+1)

-1 in handles and +2 in D. not good. not bad. just a whole lot of meh for the Dyke(r)

8. Knicks - Dick Farley SG 6'5'' 211 22 C A- C+ C C- B
8. Knicks - Dick Farley SG 6'5'' 211 22 C A- C+ C C- B (0)

Eric should invest in some Enzyte because this Dick didn't grow.

9. Nuggets - Boris Nachamkin SF 6'7'' 228 21 B C C- B C+ B
9. Nuggets - Boris Nachamkin SF 6'7'' 228 21 B C C- B C+ A (+1 pot)

Not often you see a guy just go +1 in potential, but that is exactly what Boris did. I am sure Bankz would have liked a +1 in outside scoring, but that will have to come from a SC or RC this season.

10. Bobcats  - Gerald Nappy PG 5'11'' 188 22 C B C+ B D+ B
10. Bobcats  - Gerald Nappy PG 5'11'' 188 22 C+ B C+ B+ D+ B  (+2)

It went a little better for Odin's Nappy headed hoe. Nappy gets a crucial +1 inside scoring and a Defense bump is always nice. Odin's hoarding of PG's in this draft may have messed with other GM's draft strategy, but I like the strategy.

11. Warriors - Otto Krieghauser C 7'5'' 256 20 B D+ D+ B C+ A
11. Bucks - Otto Krieghauser C 7'5'' 256 20 B+ D+ D+ B B- B (+2) (-1 pot)

One of the largest players drafted in 4.0, Trof was hoping for big things from Otto. A +1 inside and rebounding is a nice first TC but regardless of whether its scouted potential or not, its never a good feeling to see a rookie go -1 in Potential. Otto still projects to be a solid player but will need that SC love.

12. Nuggets  - Kenny Sears PF 6'9'' 261 20 B D+ D+ B B- A
12. Nuggets  - Kenny Sears PF 6'9'' 261 20 B+ D+ D B+ B A (+2)

This was a nice TC for Sears. a +3 in the important categories with an almost meaningless -1 in handles. While its troubling to have D handles, hopefully its a matter of low passing so turnovers don't become an issue.

13. Nuggets- Dick Gross C 7'1'' 249 21 B C- D+ B- B- A
13. Nuggets   Dick Gross C 7'1'' 249 21 B C- D B- B- A  (-1)

This is a Gross Dick.

14. Nets - Chet Noe C 6'11'' 248 21 C C C- B+ B+ A
14. Nets - Chet Noe C 6'11'' 248 21 C C C- A- A- B (+2) (-1 Pot)

Heebs takes his projected 2nd pick in the draft at 14. Chet projected to be a defense first big and after his first TC, that's exactly what Chet will be. Solid pick at this point in the draft. Chet can start from day one.

15. Bobcats - Togo Palazzi SG 6'5'' 228 22 B- C+ C B- C- B
15. Bobcats - Togo Palazzi SG 6'5'' 228 22 C+ C+ C B- C- A (-1) (+1 pot)

Just your standard -1/+1 pot TC. Look for Odin to pawn Togo off on one of the crappy GM's for a future first that will inevitably turn into a top 10 pick.

16. Pacers - BH Born SF 6'8'' 234 23 C+ B- C- C B+ A
16. Pacers - BH Born SF 6'8'' 234 23 C+ B C- C+ B+ B (+2) (-1 pot)

Always nice to see C defense improve to C+. Other than that. MEH

17. Thunder  - Burt Spice PF 6'11'' 244 20 C+ C- C- B B- A
17. Thunder - Burt Spice PF 6'11'' 244 20 C+ C- D+ B C+ B (-2) (-1 pot)

Burt Spice, more like shit spice.

18. Bullets - Gary Hunter C 6'11'' 248 22 B+ C D+ B- B- B
18. Bullets - Gary Hunter C 6'11'' 248 22 B+ C D+ B- C+ B (-1)

WOOF. big miss for KN here.

19. Trailblazers  - Ray Felix C 6'11'' 250 23 B D+ B- B- B- B
19. Trailblazers  - Ray Felix C 6'11'' 250 23 B D+ B B+ B- B (+3)

Ray had a very nice TC for Duc who hits on both of the bigs he drafted this season. That B handles is very interesting for a big. Nice draft for the Blazers so far.

20. Hornets  - Lou Tsioropoulos SF 6'6'' 224 23 C C+ C- B+ C+ A
20. Hornets  - Lou Tsioropoulos SF 6'6'' 224 23 C C+ C- B+ B- A (+1)

RV gets a defense first wing here. not ideal, but its better then a lot of other picks in this 1st round.

21. Grizzlies  - Hector Abdul-Wahad C 6'10'' 230 22 B+ C D+ B C+ B
21. Grizzlies - Hector Abdul-Wahad C 6'10'' 230 22 B+ C D+ B B- B (+1)

The grades are still solid despite going just +1 in TC.  Druce has a guy who he can stash and hope next year's TC is a little better.

22. Heat - Walter Dukes C 7'0'' 260 23 B D+ D+ C+ A- B
22. Heat  - Walter Dukes C 7'0'' 260 23 B D+ D+ C+ A- B (0)

insert game show loser sound

23. Nets  - Will Walls SG 6'4'' 201 24 C+ C+ C A C- B
23. Nets - Will Walls SG 6'4'' 201 24 C+ C+ C A C- B (0)

A lot of people liked this pick. Looks like Walls has already hit the rookie wall

24. Kings - Henry Daubenschmidt SG 6'3'' 199 21 B C+ C- C+ C+ B
24. Kings - Henry Daubenschmidt SG 6'3'' 199 21 B- C+ D+ C+ C B (-3)

Henry Daubenschmidt looks like a piece of shit.

25. Bucks  - Christopher Robin SF 6'7'' 219 19 B C C- C+ C+ B
25. Bucks - Christopher Robin SF 6'7'' 219 19 B+ C C- C+ C+ C (+1) (-1 pot)

I think I speak for everyone who played Winnie the Pooh baseball, "FUCK YOU CHRISTOPHER ROBIN"

26. Pacers  - Jackie Moon SG 6'3'' 225 23 B C- C+ C B- B
26. Pacers  - Jackie Moon SG 6'3'' 225 23 B C B- C B- B (+2)

He improved his underhand FT game. Moon should stick to coaching.

27. Bucks  - Gil Reich III PF 6'9'' 257 23 B+ D+ D+ C+ C+ B
27. Bucks - Gil Reich III PF 6'9'' 257 23 A- D+ C- B B- A (+5) (+1)

All hail the 3rd Reich. The best TC by far in this rookie class. Trof shows again that he is a master of the late draft pick.

28. Heat  - Kurt Artest PG 6'3'' 183 22 C B- B- C+ C- A
28. Heat  - Kurt Artest PG 6'3'' 183 22 C B B- B- C- A (+2)

pretty meh first TC for Artest. At least he was better then the first 2 picks combined. Not saying much.

29. Bullets - Kina Grannis PG 5'4" 163 C C+ C+ C+ D+ A
29. Bullets - Kina Grannis PG 5'4" 163 C B- C+ C+ D+ A (+1)

Eric will still pay a future first for her.

Round 2

1. Jazz - Zippy Morocco SG 6'6'' 211 21 C B C C+ C- A
1. Jazz - Zippy Morocco SG 6'6'' 211 21 C+ B+ C B- C- A (+3)

2poor worked the phones furiously to make acquire the picks needed to draft Zippy and Strokes. It was a good move as both players had good TC's and give the Jazz 2 cheap wings to build around. Zippy is a strong mentor candidate.

2. Jazz  Vernon Strokes SG 6'4'' 207 19 C+ C+ C- C+ C- A
2. Jazz  Vernon Strokes SG 6'4'' 207 19 B- C+ C- B- C- A (+2)

see above

3. Hornets - Jim Fritsche PF 6'8'' 240 22 C B- C- B- C B
3. Hornets - Jim Fritsche PF 6'8'' 240 22 C B- C B C+ B (+3)

4. Heat - Mateen Thorpe SF 6'8'' 210 19 C+ B C- C+ C- A
4. Heat  -Mateen Thorpe SF 6'9"' 210 19 C+ B C- B- C- A (+1)


5. Nuggets - Dick Atha PG 6'2'' 199 22 C+ C+ B C D+ A
5. Nuggets - Dick Atha PG 6'2'' 199 22 B- B- B+ C+ D A (+3)

Bankz finds a PG in the 2nd. Great grades already.  At least one Dick in this draft did well.

6. Knicks - Dick Rosenthal SF 6'6'' 235 22 C B- B- B- C C
6. Knicks - Dick Rosenthal SF 6'6'' 235 22 C B B- B- C B (+1) (+1 pot)

7. Warriors - Gene Schwinger 6'6 230 SF C+ C+ C- C+ C+ A
7. Warriors - Gene Schwinger 6'6 230 SF C+ C+ C- B- C+ A (+1)


8. Clippers - Buzz Bennett PF 6'8'' 243 21 C+ D+ D+ B- B- B
8. Clippers - Buzz Bennett PF 6'8'' 243 21 C+ D+ D B- B- B (-1)

9. Bobcats  - Larry Hennessey SG 6'3'' 201 24 B+ C C- B- C- C
9. Bobcats  - Larry Hennessey SG 6'3'' 201 24 B C C- B C- C (0)

10. Nets  - Slick Leonard PG 6'4'' 199 22 B- C+ B C+ D+ C
10. Nets  - Slick Leonard PG 6'4'' 199 22 B- B- B+ B- D+ B (+3) (+1 pot)

Very nice pick here for Heebs.

11. Bobcats  - Jack George PG 6'2'' 208 25 B C C+ C+ D+ B
11. Bobcats  - Jack George PG 6'2'' 208 25 B C+ B C+ C- A (+4) (+1 pot)

This draft is littered with good PG's to be found late in the draft. Good find here for the former commish. Odin's decision to triple up on PG's paid off.

12. SuperSonics - Bob Houbregs PF 6'7'' 240 21 C+ C D+ C+ C+ B
12. SuperSonics - Bob Houbregs PF 6'7'' 240 21 C+ C D+ C+ C+ B (0)

13. Bulls  - Dan Elliott PG 6'2'' 183 20 C- C+ B- B- D A
13. Bulls  - Dan Elliott PG 6'2'' 183 20 C- C+ B+ B- D A (+2)

14. Raptors - Parker Polynice PG 6'3'' 213 22 C- C+ C C+ D+ A
14. Raptors - Parker Polynice PG 6'3'' 213 22 C- B C C+ D+ A (+2)

15. Trailblazers  - Julius Tower SG 6'1'' 191 21 C C C C C A (-1)
15. Trailblazers  - Julius Tower SG 6'1'' 191 21 C C C+ C C A

16. Bobcats - Rudy D'Emilio C 6'11'' 248 20 C D+ D+ B+ C+ B
16. Bobcats  - Rudy D'Emilio C 6'11'' 248 20 C C- D+ A- C+ A (+2) (+1 pot)

17. Pacers - Scoonie Hunt SG 6'2'' 206 21 C B- C- B C B
17. Pacers - Scoonie Hunt SG 6'2'' 206 21 C B C- B C B (+1)

18. Bullets - Gene Shue PG 6'2'' 194 23 C B- B- C+ C- C
18. FA - Gene Shue PG 6'2'' 194 23 C B- B C+ C- B (+1) (+1 pot)

19. Bucks - Ed Kalafat SF 6'7'' 259 22 C+ B- C- C+ C+ B
19. Bucks - Ed Kalafat SF 6'7'' 259 22 C+ B- C- B- C+ B (+1)

20. Lakers - JD McNugent PF 6'7'' 259 22 B- D+ D+ C+ B- C
20. FA - JD McNugent PF 6'7'' 259 22 B- D+ D+ B- B- B (+1) (+1 pot)

21. Heat  - Stephon Dalessio C 7'3'' 264 22 C+ C C- B B- D
21. Heat  - Stephon Dalessio C 7'3'' 264 22 B- C C- A- B- D (+3)


22. Bulls  - Norm Grekin SG 6'5'' 205 23 B- C+ C- B- C- C
22. Bulls - Norm Grekin SG 6'5'' 205 23  C+ C+ C B C- C (+1)

23. Thunder - Red Karr C 6'10'' 268 22 B+ C D+ C B C
23. Thunder - Red Karr C 6'10'' 268 22 A- C D+ C B+ B (+2) (+1 pot)

Always nice when you find a guy in the 2nd round who has A- inside scoring as a rookie regardless of his defensive grade.

24. Timberwolves  - Al Hammonds PF 6'6'' 223 18 C C+ C- B C- C
24. Timberwolves - Al Hammonds PF 6'6'' 223 18 C C+ D+ B C C (+0)


25. Raptors  - Toar Hester PF 6'8'' 249 22 C+ C D+ B- B- C
25. Raptors - Toar Hester PF 6'8'' 249 22 C+ C D B C+ B (-1) (+1 pot)

This has to be the oddest TC I have ever seen. up in some categories, down in others, +1 pot.

26. Jazz  - Larry Costello PG 6'2'' 195 23 C C+ C B+ D+ C
26. FA  - Larry Costello PG 6'2'' 195 23 C C+ C A- D+ C (+1)

27. Rockets - Jack Turner SG 6'5'' 192 24 B C C- C+ C C

28. Jazz  - Charles Delk PF 6'10'' 251 22 C C+ D+ C C B
28. Jazz - Charles Delk PF 6'10'' 251 22 C+ B- D+ C C B (+2)

29. 76ers - Antonio Gottlieb PF 6'10'' 248 20 C C C C C+ A
29. 76ers - Antonio Gottlieb PF 6'10'' 248 20 C C C C C+ A (0)

3015 First Round
Grades +65
Pot up (10)
Pot down (1)

3016 First Round
Grades +37
Potential up (6)
Potential down (5)
Worst TC Henry Daubenschmidt (-3)
Best TC Gil Reich (+5)
Players who got better 20-29
Players who got worse 6-29
Players who did nothing 3-29
Biggest disappointment Tie between Selvy and Dick Farley
Steals of the draft Gil Reicht III and Jack George

Projected all rookie team
C:Pettit
PF: Reich
SF: Robin
SG: Zippy Morocco
PG: Burch

[IanBoyd]

these random bolds/nonbolds is giving me a headache

[Lazy Pete]

BOOOOOOOO. BRING BACK PETE'S ROOKIE TCS

[Souper Troopers]

what are the total gains and how do they compare to the past drafts?

[Deleted]

Canes ruins rookie TCs like he ruins back to back to back lotto wins

[20s Navidad]

:dislike:

[Heebs]

Canes, check Togo and Chet. Togo looks like -1, not +1, and I am pretty sure Noe's potential went to B.

[Citizen Cane]

Apr 12, 2015 20:58:43 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

what are the total gains and how do they compare to the past drafts?

took a quick break. I had to total last seasons because Pete forgot to do it. added some other stuff as well

[IanBoyd]

why do u bold the pre-TC draft number and not the post tc?

i.e.

1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B+ B C B C B
1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B B C B C B (-1)


???

[Trofie]

Back to back Years with the best rookie tc for one player. Thanks soup

[Souper Troopers]

Apr 12, 2015 21:42:51 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Back to back Years with the best rookie tc for one player. Thanks soup

gbr, we gotta sick together.

[Citizen Cane]

Apr 12, 2015 21:39:42 GMT -6 IanBoyd said:

why do u bold the pre-TC draft number and not the post tc?

i.e.

1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B+ B C B C B
1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B B C B C B (-1)


???

if it's really that important to you. fix it yourself.

[IanBoyd]

Apr 12, 2015 21:53:42 GMT -6 Citizen Cane said:

Apr 12, 2015 21:39:42 GMT -6 IanBoyd said:

why do u bold the pre-TC draft number and not the post tc?

i.e.

1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B+ B C B C B
1. Heat - Frank Selvy SG 6'4'' 219 22 B B C B C B (-1)


???

if it's really that important to you. fix it yourself.

:kingpin:

[Citizen Cane]

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