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Post by Druce on May 5, 2015 14:12:50 GMT -6
who said bucks in 5? i missed that Eric called Bucks over Bulls in the OP... when we spoke in shout he said it would be 4-1 Bucks... That's where all this started.... Ocho jumped in later. ahh ok i gotcha |
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Post by eric on May 5, 2015 19:53:46 GMT -6
Cavs have this in the bag. Bulls got 68 points on 59 jumpers last night (1.153) their season average is 0.891. Cavs got into the paint at will (46 points on 42 attempts, not counting free throws), one of these is a matter of skill and one of these is a matter of sometimes the ball goes in more than it usually does. Gut out a win in game 2, get JR back and win the next three, Cavs in 5.  |
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Post by Bankz on May 5, 2015 20:03:47 GMT -6
Cavs have this in the bag. Bulls got 68 points on 59 jumpers last night (1.153) their season average is 0.891. Cavs got into the paint at will (46 points on 42 attempts, not counting free throws), one of these is a matter of skill and one of these is a matter of sometimes the ball goes in more than it usually does. Gut out a win in game 2, get JR back and win the next three, Cavs in 5. Quoting for reasons... |
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Post by eric on May 5, 2015 20:09:39 GMT -6
For the record I don't specifically remember saying Bucks in 5 but it does sound like something I would say, so I don't dispute it.
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Post by 20s Navidad on May 6, 2015 6:20:37 GMT -6
Cavs have this in the bag. Bulls got 68 points on 59 jumpers last night (1.153) their season average is 0.891. Cavs got into the paint at will (46 points on 42 attempts, not counting free throws), one of these is a matter of skill and one of these is a matter of sometimes the ball goes in more than it usually does. Gut out a win in game 2, get JR back and win the next three, Cavs in 5. Quoting for reasons... And you're saying Bulls in...? |
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Post by ANK1990 on May 6, 2015 7:44:55 GMT -6
Bulls in 2. Because It Ends Tonight.
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Post by ANK1990 on May 6, 2015 7:46:40 GMT -6
YOUR SUBTELTIESSSSSS
THEY STRANGLE MEEEEEEE
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Post by eric on May 7, 2015 12:11:27 GMT -6
The NBA just needs to invent defensive coordinators so Thibs can be that. His rotations are criminal. Noah was 4th in MVP voting last year, and 1st Team All-NBA. Now he's so worn down the Cavs are guarding him with Iman Shumpert and driving directly at him on defense. Pau Gasol played every minute of the 1st quarter and 3rd quarter and was openly exhausted by the end of each. How hard is it to sit him down for a few minutes in the middle of the quarter? Dirk's been doing it for years, LeBron started this year too. It beggars the imagination.
Noah doesn't have any other All-NBA nods and judging by his precipitous decline probably never will. It turns out that a player getting exactly 1 All-NBA award that is a first team is not unprecedented:
Two guys who predated the BAA (Howie Dallmar and Ed Sadowski)
Three guys from the 70s (Earl Monroe, Gail Goodrich, Truck Robinson) but who weren't in the ABA
Two Bulls who played under Thibodeau (Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah)
By comparison there are 42 players who received exactly 1 All-NBA that was a second team and 24 who for third team.
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Post by ANK1990 on May 7, 2015 12:22:32 GMT -6
Butler is going to win Most Improved.
But unfortunately, Noah is running away with Most Declined. His deterioration is pretty shocking.
#FreeNiko
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Post by Bankz on May 9, 2015 13:43:10 GMT -6
Derrick Rose 23.0 PPG, 7.3 APG, 6.3 RPG, 42.9% 3PT
Kyrie Irving, 20.7 PPG, 3.0 APG, 2.0 RPG, 41.6% 3PT
Also Butler's defense on LeBron last night was fantastic. LeBron is beyond awesome but he battled all night.
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Post by eric on May 9, 2015 15:33:23 GMT -6
Irving 1.125 pts/tsa, Rose .903.
Butler is a good defender but LeBron is just playing poorly from a mental perspective. He can bull Butler to the rim whenever he wants, then he lets him off the hook with the quadruple jab step snap jumper routine, or forces a switch onto Gibson and does the same thing. It doesn't really matter how good a defender actually plays, if LeBron's team loses everyone calls it shutting LeBron down. LeBron put up 28 points a game on 57% shooting in the Finals last year, he's 2 assists shy of averaging a triple double on this series. Doesn't matter. Narrative trumps all.
I have no doubt the Cavs will win the next three games.
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Post by Bankz on May 9, 2015 15:37:32 GMT -6
Yeah no one said Butler shut down LeBron. Just worked his ass off against the most dominating player in the league.
Also not sure what that stat you posted is about if you care to explain
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Post by eric on May 9, 2015 16:59:49 GMT -6
Points per true shot attempt: pts / (fga + .44 * fta)
FG% doesn't take into account drawing fouls, making free throws, or making three pointers. A brief comparison using this year's stats:
FG%
57% Amir Johnson
50% Tony Allen
49% Korver, LeBron, Curry
44% Harden
Pts/TSA
1.40 Korver
1.28 Curry
1.23 Harden
1.21 Amir Johnson
1.15 LeBron
1.06 Tony Allen
Harden is the poster child for why FG% can be misleading, but there are significant differences for lots of guys.
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Post by Bankz on May 13, 2015 9:11:51 GMT -6
eric Brooks/Kirk duo a net -32.7/100 possessions in the postseason LOL
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Post by eric on May 13, 2015 12:23:33 GMT -6
Brooks is a despicable human being, but what's happening here is three things. One: Irving playing hurt and being completely useless on defense. If the Cavs started Delly, Rose's ± would go way down and the backup PGs' way up. Two: Jimmy Butler is by far the best player on Chicago and Rose plays way more minutes with him than the others do. Three: small samples. Brooks/Hinrich are shooting a combined .333 ± .222 from three (expect .371) and Rose is shooting .348 ± .199 (expect .280). Sometimes when you roll 2d10 you get a lower number than 3d3, but you still definitely want the former over the latter.
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Post by Bankz on May 13, 2015 12:42:30 GMT -6
all that bullshit you just spewed why can't you just admit Kirk is the worst fucking basketball player on a playoff team...
Thanks
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Post by eric on May 14, 2015 15:50:49 GMT -6
I mean, you're talking about a player in a series where Kendrick Perkins is getting minutes. Need I say more?
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Post by Bankz on May 14, 2015 18:30:41 GMT -6
I would prefer Perkins over Kirk
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Post by Bankz on May 14, 2015 20:31:42 GMT -6
Hinrich with 0 points, 0 assists, and 0 rebounds and a -29 in 20 minutes
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Post by 20s Navidad on May 14, 2015 21:12:37 GMT -6
Irving 1.125 pts/tsa, Rose .903. Butler is a good defender but LeBron is just playing poorly from a mental perspective. He can bull Butler to the rim whenever he wants, then he lets him off the hook with the quadruple jab step snap jumper routine, or forces a switch onto Gibson and does the same thing. It doesn't really matter how good a defender actually plays, if LeBron's team loses everyone calls it shutting LeBron down. LeBron put up 28 points a game on 57% shooting in the Finals last year, he's 2 assists shy of averaging a triple double on this series. Doesn't matter. Narrative trumps all. I have no doubt the Cavs will win the next three games. |
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Post by Bankz on May 14, 2015 21:27:06 GMT -6
Irving 1.125 pts/tsa, Rose .903. Butler is a good defender but LeBron is just playing poorly from a mental perspective. He can bull Butler to the rim whenever he wants, then he lets him off the hook with the quadruple jab step snap jumper routine, or forces a switch onto Gibson and does the same thing. It doesn't really matter how good a defender actually plays, if LeBron's team loses everyone calls it shutting LeBron down. LeBron put up 28 points a game on 57% shooting in the Finals last year, he's 2 assists shy of averaging a triple double on this series. Doesn't matter. Narrative trumps all. I have no doubt the Cavs will win the next three games.He also claimed a 4-1 series... eventually he would get one right |
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Post by Ocho on May 15, 2015 8:52:22 GMT -6
He also claimed a 4-1 series... eventually he would get one right Man he was WAY off |
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Post by eric on May 15, 2015 15:45:00 GMT -6
If the chances of me being wrong are the same as the chances of Rose banking in a three at the buzzer, I'm happy with that.
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Post by eric on Jun 8, 2015 18:01:28 GMT -6
A thought on the Finals. Curry is clearly the best and most important Warrior on offense, LeBron is for the Cavs. The Cavs have made it a clear point of emphasis to get and keep the ball out of Curry's hands: doubling on the pick and roll, ball denial otherwise. Matthew Dellavedova and Iman Shumpert are good defenders, but the main reason Curry has had modest performances by his standards is that the Cavs as a team and as a coaching staff have made that the plan, and the Warriors have been happy to oblige.
Curry is a high usage player, but he doesn't dominate the ball to the extreme level Cleveland LeBron or Westbrook does, or Iverson or Kobe did. The Warriors are happy to have Klay or Draymond work the offense 4 on 3, and this is because those are generally quite good options. You never see the Warriors panic when Curry is forced to pass at 14 seconds left in the shot clock, trying to force the ball back to him in increasing desperation. Compare with the Cavs, who do, and do. In the same way, the Warriors (like most teams) are not interested in doubling the pick and roll and giving the other team a 4 on 3 opportunity. Again, generally this is a quite good option.
Until this series. LeBron is the straw that stirs the drink, the drink itself, the glass, the napkin, the waitress carrying it, the table on which it sits. He's really really big and really really fast, but if Matthew freaking Dellavedova can deny Steph Curry the ball, the Warriors can manage it too... if they want to. Steve Kerr has done a fabulous job, now he has to decide whether to stick with his philosophies on both sides of the ball, banking on these last two games being small sample aberrations, or change and install a new philosophy over the course of a single off day.
The Warriors aren't overrated. They're by far the best team in the NBA. The Cavaliers played the last 43 games on a 65 win pace, but that was with Love and Kyrie. This series should be an absolute stomping by the Warriors, and it's not. So we ask again...
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...how do the playoffs work? The average margin of victory in the playoffs is the same as in the regular season, even though the playoffs are played at a slower pace and against better competition. The only reasonable answer is that some teams just play better in the playoffs, and one way to do that is to just try harder. If you look at how hard the Cavs were working to execute their defensive scheme last night, there's no way they could keep that up for an 82 game season. I was shocked they kept it up for a single regulation game, let alone for another 5 minute period. It's impressive across the roster, but it's of course most impressive from LeBron. He's by far the largest player on the court in crunch time, he's the oldest starting Cavalier, he used or assisted on 80% of the Cavs possessions on offense, he got a total of 2 minutes 40 seconds rest, and he didn't even slow down... after playing into the Finals for the fifth straight year.
FMVP
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Post by eric on Jun 9, 2015 18:44:09 GMT -6
There have been 13 teams that won 65+ games in the regular season and reached the NBA Finals before this year.
1967 76ers
1971 bucks
1972 lakers
1983 76ers
1986 celtics
1987 lakers
1992 bulls
1996 bulls
1997 bulls
2000 lakers
2008 celtics
2009 lakers
2013 heat
Every one of them a champion.
The Warriors won 67 games this year, and have reached the Finals.
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Brief tag on the Finals MVP idea, LeBron has been assisted on 8 of his 29 made field goals, Klay Thompson has been assisted on 9 of his 19, Steph Curry on 4 of his 15. I anticipate LeBron's percentage continuing to drop as he plays more games sans Kyrie.
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Post by eric on Jun 10, 2015 14:16:45 GMT -6
LeBron currently has Finals per-game averages of...
the most rebounds since Tim Duncan
the most assists since Jason Kidd
the most points since Michael Jordan
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Post by Druce on Jun 10, 2015 14:47:12 GMT -6
wow.
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Post by Bankz on Jun 10, 2015 14:53:44 GMT -6
LeBron currently has Finals per-game averages of... the most rebounds since Tim Duncan the most assists since Jason Kidd the most points since Michael Jordan Are you still on the Warriors bandwagon? |
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Post by eric on Jun 10, 2015 16:24:23 GMT -6
The Warriors are absolutely guaranteed to win this series. They were by far and away the best team in the regular season, they have the MVP, the Cavaliers are missing their 2nd and 3rd best players, their best Steph defender was literally in the hospital yesterday. The odds are simply overwhelming. It would take a historic choke job for the Warriors to lose, we're talking Andy Roddick 2009 meets Kobe Bryant 2006 meets Van de Velde 1999 meets Alabama 2010 meets Yankees 2004. The Warriors just know how to win. Maybe you've been swayed by all these spreadsheet nerds with their "numbers" and "basic reasoning", but I'll stick with clutch any day, and the Warriors will always come through in the clutch. |
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