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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 8:37:15 GMT -6
Starting a poll because I think this dumb rule should be changed. I think you should be able to upgrade the player if you have the dump bucks to do so. It didn't state in the OP of Achievements/rewards that you cant upgrade a player while they are overseas. So basically I spent 20k on a player and its going to hurt his development as apparently you cant upgrade them for two seasons.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 3, 2015 8:44:54 GMT -6
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 8:49:46 GMT -6
I believe you fall under the 3rd option 20s
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Post by Heebs on Jul 3, 2015 9:36:19 GMT -6
Why is it going to hurt his development?
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 10:05:25 GMT -6
It's important to pump points into players in the first couple TCs. After their like 3rd or 4th training camp they might be done developing and might not be able to upgrade in certain categories.
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Post by KwYawnza on Jul 3, 2015 10:20:01 GMT -6
I keep my prospectsin the crawl space
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Post by Heebs on Jul 3, 2015 10:26:45 GMT -6
It's important to pump points into players in the first couple TCs. After their like 3rd or 4th training camp they might be done developing and might not be able to upgrade in certain categories. Does the same logic suggest we should get unlimited SCs and RCs? Or at least a number of SCs/RCs as the number of players we drafted? I'm not saying the rule shouldn't change - but I don't think it is fair to say not allowing SCs/RCs while overseas "hurts" a player's development. It just doesn't allow a GM to maximize their development. There are other limitations on a GM's ability to maximize their players' development. I don't know what limitations should remain in place and which limitations should be removed. I voted no because (i) I couldn't SC/RC Law while he was overseas and (ii) soup generally disagrees with me, so I'm actually helping you out here bruns. |
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 10:32:09 GMT -6
No being able to "maximize" a players development hurts their developement. How is that not fair to say? If you spend 20k, imo, you should still be able to put additional hard earned dumpbucks into a player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 10:45:37 GMT -6
Stop being a bitch
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Post by Bankz on Jul 3, 2015 10:50:53 GMT -6
I voted no because 1) It's not been allowed in the past 2) you already get a +5 potential for stashing the rookie
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 10:54:17 GMT -6
I voted no because 1) It's not been allowed in the past 2) you already get a +5 potential for stashing the rookie bruns also fails to mention that that odin said "you cant upgrade stashed players" in the thread. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 10:55:00 GMT -6
fwiw, not being able to upgrade them in the first two seasons doesnt hinder their growth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:13:37 GMT -6
Stop blaming everyone because you stupidly stashed a def/reb big
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 11:14:39 GMT -6
Wat? Who says I'm blaming everyone else? Beat it retard. Grown ups are trying to talk.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 3, 2015 11:15:37 GMT -6
I voted no because 1) It's not been allowed in the past 2) you already get a +5 potential for stashing the rookie bruns also fails to mention that that odin said "you cant upgrade stashed players" in the thread. lol.. yeah if that is also the case I see no reason why he is so worked up and doing all this. If the guys in the league want to change the rule moving forward I understand this poll. But it's clear he just fucked up |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 11:41:08 GMT -6
Wat? Who says I'm blaming everyone else? Beat it retard. Grown ups are trying to talk. Deflect deflect |
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Post by eric on Jul 3, 2015 12:09:21 GMT -6
fwiw, not being able to upgrade them in the first two seasons doesnt hinder their growth. I think Bruns point is that if they start at for example 70 in attribute X and grow by 10 per year their first two years, you can only put an SC in that attribute the first year because it'll be above 85 otherwise. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 12:16:11 GMT -6
fwiw, not being able to upgrade them in the first two seasons doesnt hinder their growth. I think Bruns point is that if they start at for example 70 in attribute X and grow by 10 per year their first two years, you can only put an SC in that attribute the first year because it'll be above 85 otherwise. you're assuming it's still going to grow +20 over 2 years after that +5 is added. |
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 12:52:06 GMT -6
I think Bruns point is that if they start at for example 70 in attribute X and grow by 10 per year their first two years, you can only put an SC in that attribute the first year because it'll be above 85 otherwise. you're assuming it's still going to grow +20 over 2 years after that +5 is added. Exactly. That's why its helpful to be able to do that before it goes 85 or over. |
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Post by eric on Jul 3, 2015 13:10:50 GMT -6
I think Bruns point is that if they start at for example 70 in attribute X and grow by 10 per year their first two years, you can only put an SC in that attribute the first year because it'll be above 85 otherwise. you're assuming it's still going to grow +20 over 2 years after that +5 is added. It could grow less, it could grow more, there's a wide range. The point is that all else being equal, you miss out on a chance for growth with the current stashed player rules. |
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 13:16:46 GMT -6
I voted no because 1) It's not been allowed in the past 2) you already get a +5 potential for stashing the rookie bruns also fails to mention that that odin said "you cant upgrade stashed players" in the thread. Really feel like I shouldn't have to look through a 7 page thread for a dumb rule I didn't know existed. Not blaming you soup. It just wasn't added to the OP like everything else. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 14:02:27 GMT -6
you're assuming it's still going to grow +20 over 2 years after that +5 is added. It could grow less, it could grow more, there's a wide range. The point is that all else being equal, you miss out on a chance for growth with the current stashed player rules. So +5 potential is "missing out"? |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 14:03:11 GMT -6
bruns also fails to mention that that odin said "you cant upgrade stashed players" in the thread. Really feel like I shouldn't have to look through a 7 page thread for a dumb rule I didn't know existed. Not blaming you soup. It just wasn't added to the OP like everything else. It's also not like we were in year 1 of this reward. It's been around for over a decade. |
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Post by eric on Jul 3, 2015 14:08:10 GMT -6
Well imagine there was a GM who only ever put two SCs into a given player. We would say that GM wasn't developing their players very well, right? That it's only +5 wouldn't change what we said about them, it shouldn't change what we say about the stash rule either.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 14:11:03 GMT -6
Well imagine there was a GM who only ever put two SCs into a given player. We would say that GM wasn't developing their players very well, right? That it's only +5 wouldn't change what we said about them, it shouldn't change what we say about the stash rule either. The player is back on your team in two seasons. You can upgrade then. They also received the +5 potential which probably oh makes up for not getting to use an upgrade while they're stashed. |
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Post by Bruns on Jul 3, 2015 14:25:02 GMT -6
You think the +5 pot makes up not being able to put +19 in the first two seasons?
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 14:47:45 GMT -6
You think the +5 pot makes up not being able to put +19 in the first two seasons? Yes |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 3, 2015 14:48:22 GMT -6
And you still don't lose the ability to use those points. It's just delayed.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 8, 2015 10:40:57 GMT -6
Amended rule: Players can not be upgrade in year 1 of stash. Players CAN be upgraded in year 2 of stash, but same SC/RC rules still apply.
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Post by Bruns on Jul 8, 2015 11:45:20 GMT -6
Long live commish Soupie!!!! 20s, take your time.
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