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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 15, 2015 8:58:35 GMT -6
Grizzlies (3003-3011) Lakers (3012-3013) Jazz (3014) Suns (3015-3018) Bucks (3019)
At a Glance
-Picked 1.2 by the Grizzlies in 3003
-Was consistently very good from his first game to his last
-The perfect third/non scoring option wing player
-shot over 48% in 10 of his 17 years and never shot under 46%
-Provided elite wing defense while only fouling out 37 times in 17 seasons -Won two titles in his career
Honors
3003 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
3003 - All-Rookie Second Team
3004 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
3009 - All-Star Game Participant
3009 - All-League Third Team
3010 - All-Star Game Participant
3011 - All-Defensive Second Team
Career Stats
Years played: 17
Games played: 1239
Points per game: 20.5
Rebounds per game: 8.3
Assists per game: 2.8
Steals per game: 1.5
Blocks per game: 0.9
Turnovers per game: 1.4
FG%: .485
FT%: .846
3pt%: .281
| Season | Team | Games | MPG | FG | FGA | FG % | FT | FTA | FT % | 3P | 3PA | 3P % | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TOPG | DQ | PPG | | 3003 | Grizzlies | 60 | 27.2 | 349 | 686 | .509 | 189 | 218 | .867 | 3 | 19 | .158 | 6.2 | 1.9 | 0.7 | 0.4 | 0.9 | 1 | 14.8 | | 3004 | Grizzlies | 49 | 20.1 | 202 | 395 | .511 | 93 | 129 | .721 | 2 | 13 | .154 | 4.8 | 1.4 | 0.7 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0 | 10.2 | | 3005 | Grizzlies | 75 | 35.0 | 589 | 1271 | .463 | 412 | 499 | .826 | 16 | 55 | .291 | 9.2 | 3.1 | 1.1 | 0.6 | 1.6 | 3 | 21.4 | | 3006 | Grizzlies | 82 | 36.5 | 712 | 1418 | .502 | 454 | 537 | .845 | 15 | 55 | .273 | 9.6 | 4.6 | 1.6 | 0.7 | 1.8 | 3 | 23.1 | | 3007 | Grizzlies | 79 | 39.0 | 697 | 1412 | .494 | 419 | 502 | .835 | 25 | 82 | .305 | 9.3 | 4.6 | 1.9 | 0.7 | 1.5 | 0 | 23.3 | | 3008 | Grizzlies | 80 | 37.9 | 766 | 1517 | .505 | 516 | 587 | .879 | 28 | 88 | .318 | 8.8 | 4.3 | 1.7 | 1.0 | 1.7 | 3 | 26.0 | | 3009 | Grizzlies | 78 | 38.1 | 818 | 1650 | .496 | 544 | 620 | .877 | 33 | 88 | .375 | 9.6 | 3.6 | 1.6 | 0.9 | 1.7 | 2 | 28.4 | | 3010 | Grizzlies | 69 | 36.3 | 741 | 1528 | .485 | 492 | 562 | .875 | 21 | 67 | .313 | 9.4 | 2.7 | 1.8 | 0.9 | 2.1 | 1 | 28.9 | | 3011 | Grizzlies | 82 | 39.3 | 857 | 1834 | .467 | 574 | 674 | .852 | 19 | 60 | .317 | 9.6 | 2.7 | 1.8 | 0.9 | 1.8 | 4 | 28.1 | | 3012 | Lakers | 63 | 36.7 | 491 | 1065 | .461 | 341 | 398 | .857 | 11 | 45 | .244 | 9.0 | 2.7 | 1.5 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 4 | 21.2 | | 3013 | Lakers | 77 | 38.5 | 595 | 1220 | .488 | 383 | 467 | .820 | 9 | 34 | .265 | 8.4 | 2.6 | 2.0 | 0.8 | 1.4 | 0 | 20.5 | | 3014 | Jazz | 82 | 38.5 | 587 | 1257 | .467 | 435 | 513 | .848 | 5 | 30 | .167 | 8.1 | 2.3 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 6 | 19.7 | | 3015 | Suns | 82 | 34.9 | 557 | 1194 | .466 | 424 | 495 | .857 | 10 | 41 | .244 | 7.5 | 2.1 | 1.5 | 1.0 | 1.4 | 5 | 18.9 | | 3016 | Suns | 81 | 34.3 | 487 | 1011 | .482 | 350 | 425 | .824 | 7 | 32 | .219 | 7.4 | 2.3 | 1.5 | 1.2 | 1.2 | 0 | 16.4 | | 3017 | Suns | 55 | 34.3 | 300 | 600 | .500 | 228 | 271 | .841 | 3 | 17 | .176 | 7.2 | 2.0 | 1.3 | 1.4 | 1.1 | 2 | 15.1 | | 3018 | Suns | 76 | 33.6 | 380 | 752 | .505 | 256 | 311 | .823 | 5 | 26 | .192 | 7.1 | 1.5 | 1.2 | 1.2 | 0.8 | 2 | 13.4 | | 3019 | Bucks | 69 | 31.6 | 319 | 652 | .489 | 204 | 253 | .806 | 4 | 17 | .235 | 7.1 | 1.1 | 1.4 | 1.2 | 0.9 | 1 | 12.3 |
| | Career: | --- | 1239 | 35.3 | 9447 | 19462 | .485 | 6314 | 7461 | .846 | 216 | 769 | .281 | 8.3 | 2.8 | 1.5 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 37 | 20.5 |
Achievements
| | Championships: | | 2 | | Player of the Game: | | 136 | | Player of the Week: | | 0 | | Player of the Month: | | 0 | | Double Doubles: | | 408 | | Triple Doubles: | | 4 |
Career Highs
Points: 61
Rebounds: 21
Assists: 12
Steals: 8
Blocks: 6
Biography
Height: 6'7"
Weight: 243
Transactions:
Selected 1.2 overall in the 3003 Draft by the Couv
Traded to Lakers for 3 first round picks
Traded to Jazz with Antoine Walker, Bull Murray, and two 2nd round picks for Glen Robinson, Evan Turner, Otis Thorpe Traded to Suns for 2 first round picks, Robert Upshaw, Derrick Fisher, and Josh Smith Signed by Bucks for the MLE
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Post by KwYawnza on Jul 15, 2015 9:03:14 GMT -6
I don't trust any dude who was traded for a mud fish and unnamed favors
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Post by 20s Navidad on Jul 15, 2015 9:07:37 GMT -6
No, very good
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Post by Druce on Jul 15, 2015 9:15:21 GMT -6
pretty confident i never traded catfish and favors for him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:17:49 GMT -6
Nah
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 15, 2015 9:20:25 GMT -6
pretty confident i never traded catfish and favors for him my bad. forgot to delete a transaction line from the template |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 15, 2015 10:29:24 GMT -6
He was close, but I voted no.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 15, 2015 11:31:09 GMT -6
he had a 3 year run there where he was pretty elite, and some good years on either side of those. Just not enough IMO.
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Post by MJ on Jul 15, 2015 13:38:57 GMT -6
:like:
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 15, 2015 17:10:06 GMT -6
more yes votes than I thought
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Trofie
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Post by Trofie on Jul 15, 2015 18:28:55 GMT -6
voted yes
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Post by kn88 on Jul 16, 2015 6:25:01 GMT -6
nope
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Post by dilworth on Jul 16, 2015 7:07:52 GMT -6
close but nope
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Post by Druce on Jul 16, 2015 7:13:36 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? |
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Trofie
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Post by Trofie on Jul 16, 2015 9:59:49 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? Mj isn't getting in either |
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Trofie
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Post by Trofie on Jul 16, 2015 10:00:57 GMT -6
I'm kind of shocked at the results to be honest. He's a pretty easy yes for me
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Post by Druce on Jul 16, 2015 10:02:42 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? Mj isn't getting in either that's fine, i just wonder what it would have been like. Marques played on good teams most of his career with other scoring options while MJ was the show pony most of his career. |
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Post by eric on Jul 16, 2015 10:39:43 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? I can for most of those years, but we lost some of the early years in the league so it will be incomplete. I'll post here again when I get home to my files. |
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Post by MJ on Jul 16, 2015 11:23:04 GMT -6
I think he's a slut
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Post by dilworth on Jul 16, 2015 11:28:14 GMT -6
Never liked this guy. That's 40% of the reason I voted no.
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Post by Heynong Man on Jul 16, 2015 12:02:00 GMT -6
Hall of Very Good
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Post by eric on Jul 16, 2015 17:22:02 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? so the records go 06, 07, and then 10-present, so we miss both championship years for the Couv. Do you want me to keep going or not bother? |
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Post by Druce on Jul 16, 2015 18:11:58 GMT -6
i wonder what would have happened had marques and mj switched places as far as teams are concerned. eric can you do a win share comparison between the two? or is that too complicated to do? so the records go 06, 07, and then 10-present, so we miss both championship years for the Couv. Do you want me to keep going or not bother? Sure why not, if it's not too much trouble |
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Post by eric on Jul 16, 2015 18:58:26 GMT -6
What I'll do is just swap Win Shares to Win Shares and back of the envelope it if there's a significant MP difference, because generally the backup wouldn't be as good as either starter so more starter minutes means less backup minutes. I'm also treating all else as being equal, so if you won a series you weren't supposed to and got better, you still win that series.
Okay starting in 3006, why did you have six point guards on your roster, MJ is worth +3.5 wins counting his +400 minutes. You probably beat the TWolves in round 1 but even if you make the WCF the Kings were killing everyone that year. 76ers probably lose in the second round either way.
3007 they're dead even.
3010 Jordan is worth +8 including his +850(!) minutes, Grizzlies would have a much easier time over the Warriors, possibly beat the Rockets who are the eventual champions so who knows how it shakes out from there. Definite chance at another ring in Saskatchewan.
3011 Marques has a +2 edge, nothing would change.
3012-3014 they're neck on neck
3015 Jordan is +1. Bucks would undoubtedly still get Fason stomped, Suns almost certainly still lose to the Nugs.
3016 Jordan is +3, Suns probably win the title.
3017 Marques +2, nothing changes.
3018 Jordan +3, and Jordan's Thunder were taken to 7 by Marques' Suns in round 2 so Thunder almost certainly lose with a swap.
All told Jordan is only +8 in Win Shares at 120 to 112 for these eleven years, but with his 1500 MP advantage it's more like +14. It also happens by coincidence that Jordan's years had a lot more swing to them: his leaving one team would definitely have lost them a ring, his joining another would probably have won them one, and a third can make the same claim.
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Post by Druce on Jul 17, 2015 7:23:42 GMT -6
What I'll do is just swap Win Shares to Win Shares and back of the envelope it if there's a significant MP difference, because generally the backup wouldn't be as good as either starter so more starter minutes means less backup minutes. I'm also treating all else as being equal, so if you won a series you weren't supposed to and got better, you still win that series. Okay starting in 3006, why did you have six point guards on your roster, MJ is worth +3.5 wins counting his +400 minutes. You probably beat the TWolves in round 1 but even if you make the WCF the Kings were killing everyone that year. 76ers probably lose in the second round either way. 3007 they're dead even. 3010 Jordan is worth +8 including his +850(!) minutes, Grizzlies would have a much easier time over the Warriors, possibly beat the Rockets who are the eventual champions so who knows how it shakes out from there. Definite chance at another ring in Saskatchewan. 3011 Marques has a +2 edge, nothing would change. 3012-3014 they're neck on neck 3015 Jordan is +1. Bucks would undoubtedly still get Fason stomped, Suns almost certainly still lose to the Nugs. 3016 Jordan is +3, Suns probably win the title. 3017 Marques +2, nothing changes. 3018 Jordan +3, and Jordan's Thunder were taken to 7 by Marques' Suns in round 2 so Thunder almost certainly lose with a swap. All told Jordan is only +8 in Win Shares at 120 to 112 for these eleven years, but with his 1500 MP advantage it's more like +14. It also happens by coincidence that Jordan's years had a lot more swing to them: his leaving one team would definitely have lost them a ring, his joining another would probably have won them one, and a third can make the same claim. Thanks! |
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