Fason's Top 25 in 4.0 History (704 views)

[Face-in]

I may have put too much importance on winning championships but whatever this is my list and my truth.

Sorry for the formatting on the stats. That was a real bitch to try and format so I quit trying. Numbers go by:
MPG FG FGA FG % FT FTA FT % 3P 3PA 3P % RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG DQ PPG

Top 25 in 4.0 History

25. Myles Turner

His stats are great but he hasn't won anything yet and I wish he were more efficient. He's still only 28 so I'm sure if I do this again in 5-10 seasons he'd be higher.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 7x (3015 Second, 3016 First, 3017 First, 3018 Second, 3019 First, 3020 First, 3021 Second)
All-Defensive: 3x (3018 Second, 3019 Second, 3020 Second)
All-Star: 8x (3014, 3015, 3016, 3017, 3018, 3019, 3020, 3021)
Best Season:       36.8 929 2014 0.461 823 925 0.89 131 283 0.463 14.4 1.9 0.8 3.8 1.4  9 33.1
Career Averages: 35.7 7641 17005 0.449 6053 7027 0.861 779 1853 0.42   12.4 1.9 0.8 3.4 1.4 65 29.1



24. Kristaps Porzingis

His accolades are somewhat disappointing for this stage of his career. I expected him to have more all star and all league appearances but he's one of the best scorers in league history and carried the 3016 Raptors when they won the title.

Champion: 1x (3016)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: (3018 Second, 3019 Third, 3020 Second)
All-Defensive: 0x
All-Star: 3x (3018, 3020, 3022)
Best Season:  39.5 900 1726 0.521 523 595 0.879 147 323 0.455 8.4 2.3 2 0 1.8 3 34.8
Career Averages: 36.7 8166 17012 0.48 4380 5056 0.866 1362 3351 0.406 7.6 2 1.7 0.1 1.4 45 30




23. Mike Conley

Maybe I'm being too hard on my old player but I think this is the right spot for him compared to the other PGs on the list. His stats are great but he should have won more.

Champion: 1x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3015)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 4x (3017 Third, 3018 Third, 3019 Second, 3021 Third)
All-Defensive: 1x (3019 Second)
All-Star: 6x (3014, 3016, 3018, 3019, 3020, 3021)
Best Season:  39.3 983 1989 0.494 366 402 0.91 202 456 0.443 4.3 10.4 2 0.2 2.4 1 30.9
Career Averages: 38.1 10158 21489 0.473 4423 4929 0.897 1893 4771 0.397 4.3 10.4 2.2 0.2 2.5 13 29




22. Alvan Adams

One of the best SFs of all time, he was the best player on those Celtics teams that lost in the finals a couple times. He and Bob Lanier are the only non PGs to win the MVP award.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 1x (3003)
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3000 Third, 3001 Second, 3003 Second, 3004 Third, 3008 Second, 3012 Third)
All-Defensive: 1x (3000 Second)
All-Star: 10x (3000-3008, 3012)
Best Season: 38.4 917 1822 0.503 413 531 0.778 245 496 0.494 10.9 4.8 1.5 1.1 1.2 2 30.4
Career Averages: 37.9 11681 25112 0.465 5527 7076 0.781 2907 6667 0.436 10.2 4.4 1.3 0.9 1.4 39 27.7




21. Georges Niang

Niang has been one of my favorite players in the league, he's a Barkley clone and the the last of the stat stuffing SFs that used to dominate the league. If not for bad timing he'd have at least a title or two by now.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 7x (3015 First, 3016 Third, 3017 First, 3018 First, 3019 First, 3020 First, 3021 First)
All-Defensive: 5x (3015 2nd, 3018 2nd, 3019 2nd, 3020 2nd, 3021 2nd)
All-Star: 8x (3014, 3015, 3017, 3018, 3019. 3020, 3021, 3022)
Best Season:  39.5 892 1866 0.478 419 512 0.818 163 386 0.422 10.2 4.7 1.7 2.3 2 3 29.6
Career Averages: 38.3 7638 16356 0.467 3546 4223 0.84 1519 3562 0.426 9.4 4.1 2.1 1.8 1.9 22 26.8





20. Khalid Reeves

His stats aren't as impressive as the other PGs on the list but he won 3 titles and was finals MVP each time. He's right there with Harrison and Kidd as the best playoff performing PG.

Champion: 3x (3010, 3011, 3014)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 3x (3010, 3011, 3014)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 4x (3006 First, 3007 Second, 3013 Third, 3014 Third)
All-Defensive: 0x
All-Star: 5x (3004, 3005, 3006, 3007, 3011)
Best Season:  38.6 670 1350 0.496 355 420 0.845 123 278 0.442 4.2 11.1 2.5 0.2 1.8 1 24.9
Career Averages: 37 11541 24367 0.474 5238 5996 0.874 2180 5436 0.401 3.9 9.4 2.3 0.1 1.8 26 26.2

 



19. Eric Bledsoe

I gave him the nod over Reeves due to that MVP award in 3011, also his stats are ridiculous. It's a shame the Bullets tanked during the peak of his prime.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 1x (3011)
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 3x (3010 First, 3011 First, 3017 Second)
All-Defensive: 5x (3011 Second, 3015 Second, 3016 First, 3017 Third, 3018 Third)
All-Star: 9x (3008, 3011, 3012, 3013. 3015, 3016, 3017, 3018, 3019)
Best Season:  39.3 1060 2199 0.482 451 481 0.938 238 572 0.416 6.3 10 2.4 0.2 1.8 1 34.3
Career Averages: 38.1 13149 27921 0.471 5844 6467 0.904 2806 6771 0.414 5.8 9.4 2.3 0.2 1.9 27 26.2
 



18. Bill Walton

He put up great numbers throughout his career and racked up a ton of accolades but didn't win enough compared to other players above him. Possibly could have gotten the championship if he got out of Portland sooner.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 2x (3000, 3001)
All-League: 13x (3000 Second, 3001 First, 3002 Second, 3003 Second, 3004 First, 3006 First, 3007 First, 3008 First, 3009 Second, 3010 Second, 3012 Third, 3014 Third)
All-Defensive: 8x (3000 First, 3001 First, 3002 Second, 3003 Second, 3004 Second, 3009 First, 3010 First, 3012 Second)
All-Star: 11x (3001-3004, 3006-3011, 3013)
Best Season:  36.1 644 1382 0.466 520 658 0.79 0 0 0 13.1 4.6 1.2 4.2 1.7 4 24.1
Career Averages: 36.2 9562 20754 0.461 7649 9868 0.775 0 4 0 13 4.6 1 3.7 1.8 96 22.8

 



17. Bob Lanier


His 3001 season was the best big man season of all time. Also he's the only big man to ever win the MVP award. He'd be higher on the list if his career was longer.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 1x (3000)
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 4x (3000 First, 3001 First, 3004 Second, 3006 Second)
All-Defensive: 0x
All-Star: 6x (3000-3005)
Best Season:  37.8 961 1853 0.519 851 1060 0.803 0 0 0 10.9 5.1 1 1.5 2.1 3 33.8
Career Averages: 35.8 5598 11620 0.482 4494 5555 0.809 0 1 0 12 3.6 1 2.3 1.6 55 25.6




16. Alvin Robertson

Has great stats and a title which is why he is above Reeves and Bledsoe. Would have won more if he weren't stuck in Minnesota for so long.

Champion: 1x (3013)
MVP: 1x (3014)
Playoff MVP: 1x (3013)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3009 Third, 3010 Third, 3012 First, 3014 First, 3015 Second, 3016 Second)
All-Defensive: 4x (3009 Second, 3010 Second, 3012 Second, 3017 Second)
All-Star: 9x (3006, 3007, 3009, 3012, 3013, 3014, 3015, 3016, 3017)
Best Season:  37.4 960 1905 0.504 368 395 0.932 234 547 0.428 5.8 11.3 2.4 0.1 1.8 2 32.3
Career Averages: 37.5 11959 25213 0.474 5112 5585 0.915 2686 6405 0.419 5.9 9.6 2.4 0.1 2.1 26 26.8




15. Greg Monroe

I think Monroe is underrated when we talk about all time greats in the league. I have him as the third best big of all time but I think an argument could be made for him to be #1.

Champion: 2x (3008, 3017)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3017)
Defensive Player of the Year: 1x (3006)
All-League: 13x(3006 Second, 3007 Second, 3008 Second, 3009 First, 3010 First, 3012 First, 3013 Second, 3014 Second, 3016 First, 3017 second, 3018 Third, 3019 Second 3020 Third)
All-Defensive: 4x (3006 First, 3008 First, 3010 Second, 3013 Second)
All-Star: 12x (3005-3010, 3012, 3014, 3016-3018, 3020)
Best Season:  41.3 685 1478 0.463 635 705 0.901 0 1 0 14.1 4.2 0.8 4.2 1.7 12 26
Career Averages: 37.5 9226 20173 0.457 8211 9301 0.883 0 3 0 12.5 3.7 0.5 4 1.8 212 21.1




14. Rick Barry

Won 4 titles in his 6 seasons and put up great stats. Would be higher if he were the best player on those title teams. Had the luxury of being the second option on those Jazz teams and third option on those Mavs teams.

Champion: 4x (3000, 3002, 3003, 3005)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3000)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 4x (3000 Second, 3001 Second, 3002 Second, 3003 Second)
All-Defensive: 3x (3001 First, 3002 First, 3003 First)
All-Star: 6x (3000-3005)
Best Season:  37.7 742 1482 0.501 313 370 0.846 170 405 0.42 6.6 4 1.2 0.5 1.3 1 28.9
Career Averages: 38.3 5488 11387 0.482 2357 2759 0.854 1291 3024 0.427 6.9 4.3 1.5 0.5 1.2 15 27.7




13. Larry Kenon

One of the most efficient scorers that the league has had, shooting 49% for his career. I'd have him a little higher if he had more impact on the defensive end.

Champion: 2x (3003, 3005)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3003)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3003 First, 3004 First, 3006 Third, 3007 Third, 3010 Third, 3012 First)
All-Defensive: 0x
All-Star: 6x (3000, 3002, 3008, 3009. 3010, 3012)
Best Season: 37.5 900 1716 0.524 541 634 0.853 17 63 0.27 10.5 3.5 1.9 0.6 1.5 3 30.6
Career Averages: 37 10314 21034 0.49 6628 8067 0.822 122 469 0.26 11.1 3 2 0.6 1.4 62 26




12. Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Arguably the best defensive player of all time and he was putting up over 30 a game when he was the #1 option on the Magic. He has been the best player on the Thunder this season.

Champion: 4x (3018-3021)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3020)
Defensive Player of the Year: 3x (3019-3021)
All-League: 5x (3013 Second, 3016 Second. 3017 Third, 3019 Third, 3020 Second)
All-Defensive: 4x (3018-3021 First)
All-Star: 5x (3013, 3016, 3019, 3020, 3022)
Best Season:  38.2 1100 2255 0.488 667 773 0.863 8 31 0.258 9.2 2.1 2.1 2 1.8 7 36.9
Career Averages: 35.9 7298 15458 0.472 5731 6601 0.868 8 45 0.178 10.9 1.8 1.8 3.2 1.5 56 26.2





11. Gary Bossert

Incredible scorer and even better defender. Could be higher if it wasn't for Oscar.

Champion: 0x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3012 First, 3014 First, 3015 2First, 3016 First 3017 Third, 3018 First)
All-Defensive: 12x (3010 1st, 3011 First, 3012 First, 3013 Second, 3014 First, 3015 First, 3016 First, 3017 Second, 3018 First, 3019 First, 3020 Second, 3021 First)
All-Star: 8x (3012, 3014, 3015, 3016, 3017. 3018, 3019. 3020)
Best Season:  39.5 1049 2167 0.484 449 547 0.821 261 560 0.466 6.8 1.7 1.8 1.6 1.4 2 36
Career Averages: 38.3 10805 22587 0.478 4871 6018 0.809 2587 6173 0.419 6.7 2.3 2.2 1.4 1.1 19 29.6





10. Champ Godbolt

Just a beast and nightmare to go against in the playoffs. He would be on this list whether he played SF, PF or C throughout his whole career.

He wasn't as good as Barkley though.

Champion: 1x (3012)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 1x (3007)
All-League: 6x (3006 First, 3007 First, 3008 First, 3009 First, 3011 Second, 3019 Second)
All-Defensive: 6x (3007 First, 3008 Second, 3010 Second, 3016 Second, 3018 First, 3019 First)
All-Star: 6x (3006, 3007, 3008, 3009, 3017, 3019)
Best Season:  39.9 864 1683 0.513 526 616 0.854 32 93 0.344 10.5 1.4 1.3 2.3 1.3 3 27.9
Career Averages: 36.7 11940 25182 0.474 8838 10225 0.864 489 1314 0.372 10.1 1.3 1.4 2.4 1.3 103 22.9





9. Charles Barkley

My favorite sim player of all time. Had to stop myself from putting him at #7.

Champion: 2x (3006. 3015)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3006)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 10x (3005 Second, 3006 Second, 3007 Second, 3008 Third, 3009 Second, 3011 Third, 3014 Second, 3015 Third, 3017 Third, 3018 Third)
All-Defensive: 5x (3005 First, 3006 Second, 3008 Second, 3009 Second, 3013 Second)
All-Star: 11x (3005, 3006, 3007, 3008, 3009. 3010, 3011, 3012, 3013, 3014, 3016)
Best Season:  39.3 835 1723 0.485 499 568 0.879 106 272 0.39 12.1 4.4 1.9 2.8 1.9 2 27.7
Career Averages: 36.6 11754 25092 0.468 6493 7605 0.854 1841 4597 0.4 10.4 3.8 1.7 2.4 1.7 67 23.7




8. Paul Westphal

He won Tyler a championship. Enough said.

Champion: 1x (3001)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 9x (3000 First, 3001 Third, 3002 First, 3003 First, 3004 Third, 3005 Second, 3006 Third, 3007 First, 3008 Second)
All-Defensive: 1x (3007 Second)
All-Star: 9x (3000-3008)
Best Season:  38.3 976 1921 0.508 381 459 0.83 211 483 0.437 4 10 2.2 0.2 1.5 0 32.2
Career Averages: 38.4 11556 23939 0.483 4351 5298 0.821 2819 6456 0.437 4.6 8.7 2.1 0.2 1.6 17 30.4




7. Emeka Okafor

I think he's the best big man that we've had, dominant on offense and defense. Oscar was great but Okafor was what made those Bulls teams so dominant.

Champion: 1x
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3009)
Defensive Player of the Year: 3x (3012, 3015, 3016)
All-League: 6x (3011 Third, 3012 Second, 3013 First, 3015 Second, 3016 Second, 3017 Third)
All-Defensive: 5x (3011 Second, 3012 First, 3015 First, 3016 First, 3018 Second)
All-Star: 7x (3007, 3009, 3011, 3012, 3013, 3014, 3015)
Best Season:  37.5 787 1678 0.469 603 812 0.743 0 0 0 13.4 1.8 1.5 3.9 1.6 5 27.6
Career Averages: 35.7 9212 20190 0.456 7627 9985 0.764 0 2 0 12.6 1.4 1.1 3.6 1.4 101 20.6

 



6. Oscar Robertson

Only behind Magic when it comes to stats and MVPs. He'd be top 3 if he didn't lose eight times in game 7 (Three times in the finals, three times in the conference finals and twice in the second round).

Champion: 0x
MVP: 5x (3012, 3013, 3015, 3017, 3018)
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 10x (3009 Second, 3010 Second, 3011 Second, 3012 Second, 3013 First, 3014 Second, 3015 First, 3016 First, 3017 First, 3018 First)
All-Defensive: 2x (3013 Second, 3015 First)
All-Star: 11x (3009-3019)
Best Season:  39.9 994 2046 0.486 538 578 0.931 196 450 0.436 6.4 12.9 2.4 0.1 1.9 2 34.9
Career Averages: 38.4 11239 23528 0.478 5816 6315 0.921 1852 4585 0.404 6.7 11.4 2.2 0.1 2 28 29





5. Stanley Robinson


Remember to always extend your second round picks.

Champion: 3x (3010, 3011, 3013)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 0x
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 7x (3009 Third. 3010 Second, 3012 First, 3013 First, 3014 Third, 3015 Second, 3016 Third)
All-Defensive: 7x (3009 First, 3012 First, 3013 First, 3014 Second, 3015 First, 3016 First, 3017 Second)
All-Star: 7x (3009, 3012, 3013, 3014, 3015, 3016, 3017)
Best Season:  41 947 1989 0.476 592 688 0.86 120 295 0.407 11.8 3 1.9 3 1.1 3 32.2
Career Averages: 34.6 10248 21734 0.472 5957 6819 0.874 1179 3013 0.391 8.7 2.4 1.5 2.3 0.9 34 20.9





4. George Gervin

Best wing that the league has had. He also had the best season for a wing averaging 30 on 52% shooting from beyond the arc and 52% overall. Thank god he left for Denver after the 3002 season or else the Jazz would have been the original Thunder.

Champion: 3x (3000, 3002, 3010)
MVP: 0x
Playoff MVP: 1x (3002)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3000 2nd, 3002 3rd, 3003 3rd, 3004 2nd, 3005 2nd)
All-Defensive: 2x (3004, 3005)
All-Star: 6x (3000, 3001, 3003, 3004, 3006, 3011)
Best Season:  39.2 936 1799 0.52 352 416 0.846 288 545 0.528 6.8 4 1.1 1.5 1 3 30.6
Career Averages: 37.5 10974 23298 0.471 4682 5620 0.833 2934 6525 0.45 6.3 3.9 1.2 1.2 1.1 23 27.2





3. Magic Johnson

I'm splitting hairs with the top 3. Magic had the best stats averaging nearly a triple double for most of his career but he won the least so I put him here at #3.

Champion: 1x (3008)
MVP: 6x (3002, 3005, 3006, 3007, 3008, 3010)
Playoff MVP: 1x (3008)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 14x (3001 Third, 3002 First, 3003 First, 3004 First, 3005 First, 3006 First, 3007 First, 3008 First, 3009 First, 3010 First, 3011 First, 3013 Third, 3014 First, 3016 First)
All-Defensive: 3x (3001 First, 3002 First, 3003 First)
All-Star: 15x (3001, 3002, 3003, 3004, 3005, 3007, 3008. 3009, 3010, 3011, 3013, 3014, 3015, 3016, 3017)
Best Season:  43.2 829 1636 0.507 471 534 0.882 131 305 0.43 9.6 12.9 2.8 1.8 2.9 0 27.6
Career Averages: 40 12143 25397 0.478 6825 7834 0.871 1837 4736 0.388 8.9 10.1 2.1 1.9 2.7 22 25.7




2. Aaron Harrison

Has already won five titles and been to the finals six times in his nine year career. He could probably average 32-35 PPG if the Thunder didn't have so many scorers. And he's only 29

Champion: 5x (3014, 3018-21)
MVP: 3x (3019. 3020, 3021)
Playoff MVP: 3x (3018, 3019. 3021)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 6x (3016 Third, 3017 Second, 3018 Second, 3019 Frirst, 3020 First. 3021 First)
All-Defensive: 3x (3018 Second, 3020 Second, 3021 First)
All-Star: 6x (3017, 3018, 3019, 3020, 3021, 3022)
Best Season:  40.4 965 1946 0.496 439 477 0.92 226 510 0.443 5.9 10.5 2.9 0.2 2.9 0 35.1
Career Averages: 36 7493 15265 0.491 3279 3560 0.921 1765 4112 0.429 5.2 6.7 1.9 0.2 1.9 15 26.5





1. David Thompson

The original anti-Christ of 4.0. Fuck this guy, like the best player in the creation file really needed those 19 bonus points. Seriously though he has been the best player and scorer that the league has had so far.

Champion 2x (3003,3005)
MVP: 3x (3001, 3004, 3009)
Playoff MVP: 1x (3005)
Defensive Player of the Year: 0x
All-League: 9x (3001 First, 3002 First, 3003 Second, 3004 First, 3005 First, 3006 Second, 3008 First, 3009 First, 3011 Third)
All-Defensive: 1x (3002 Second)
All-Star: 13x (3000-3011, 3013)
Best Season:  38.6 1051 2154 0.488 472 535 0.882 258 573 0.45 5.3 10.3 2.5 0.1 1.9 3 34.5
Career Averages: 38.8 12995 26673 0.487 5886 6944 0.848 2921 6730 0.434 5 9.5 2 0.3 1.9 24 31.8

[Bankz]

well done...

[dilworth]

nice job fason. Agree with the top three. Emeka too high imo.

[Lazy Pete]

Software hates porzingis, it took forever for him to make an all star game

[Deleted]

3 Celtics on there

Glad I got Champ his ring

[eric]

5

imo Magic #1, those other fools couldn't block a shot if their sim life depended on it

also imo Shareef should be higher. there's no argument, he's the best defensive player of all time AND is putting up 20+ a game AND is freakishly efficient. Shareef 3020 4.7 blocks 1.8 steals will never be topped, and he had 1.12 pts/tsa which would be above average for a guard, and he was top 5 in rebounds per game, and he threw in 2.0 assists per game (more than Emeka ever had in a year). the guy is the perfect big man and he's a chameleon. the thunder need more from his offense this year so he pushes his scoring up to 1.15 pts/tsa and his ast:tov ratio is above 2.

emeka + oscar = 1 title between them
shareef + super twin = at least 4
i rest my case

[20s Navidad]

Appreciate the effort that went into doing this. Good job fason.

With that said, my criticisms: I don't get why Champ Godbolt is so high. I like at least the next 6 guys over him.

[Face-in]

1) I should probably have Shareef and Emeka swap spots.

2) Champ rode Barkley's coat tails on the list because as I was doing this I planned to have him 1 spot behind Barkley since their careers were similar. I admit I overrated him.

[20s Navidad]

For what it's worth, I think Myles Turner gets a bad rap because he take and makes so many threes and people so often just look at FG% when determining if he is efficient. For example, you say that you wish he was more efficient in the article, but here are Turner's career points per true shooting attempt compared to the other bigs ranked.



Just wanted to give everyone a little insight into how efficient he actually is on offense since people tend to see that FG% and knock him down a notch.

Also, I think Emeka is ranked too high. You call him dominant offensively and defensively, but he is the worst offensive big ranked IMO.

[20s Navidad]

Not trying to criticize the rankings either, just adding to the discussion. I think this is a great article because it seems to have spurred some discussion. Cool to see all the historical guys numbers next to each other.

[dilworth]

nice guy 20's

[kn88]

Great article.

[Mad King]

Williamson should be on this list me thinks

[Trofie]

Sept 15, 2015 19:55:10 GMT -6 @dumptime said:

3 Celtics on there

Glad I got Champ his ring

Technically I did

[Deleted]

Sept 16, 2015 10:00:53 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Sept 15, 2015 19:55:10 GMT -6 @dumptime said:

3 Celtics on there

Glad I got Champ his ring

Technically I did

I dont see a Bucks championship banner up there

[Face-in]

Williamson is 26th due to his lack of honors and because I like Porzingis/Turner more.

[Deleted]

Sept 16, 2015 10:05:01 GMT -6 Face-in said:

Williamson is 26th due to RV ruining his career and because I like Porzingis/Turner more.

FIFY

[Heebs]

If we're going to get nit-picky about this, here is the actual list of persons responsible for Champ getting a ring (in order of most responsible to least).

1. Odin
2. Soup
3. Payton
4. Trof
5. Clyde
6. dump

[Deleted]

Sept 16, 2015 10:06:45 GMT -6 Heebs said:

If we're going to get nit-picky about this, here is the actual list of persons responsible for Champ getting a ring (in order of most responsible to least).

1. Odin
2. Soup
3. Payton
4. Trof
5. Clyde
6. dump

Who is Payton?

[Deleted]

Also Alvan Adams > Niang

[Trofie]

Sept 16, 2015 10:02:51 GMT -6 @dumptime said:

Sept 16, 2015 10:00:53 GMT -6 Trofie said:

Technically I did

I dont see a Bucks championship banner up there

I literally had to talk you into taking him. It was a move we all know your adolescent mind couldn't make. 

[Souper Troopers]

great job fason. of course we can all nitpick at this, but this took a lot of time and effort, and was a great read.

[SugarShaun]

As a newbie this was a very interesting read

Articles on the history from the older guys are definitely appreciated