Draft (301 views)

[Druce]

I think we can all agree that the draft has taken an obscene amount of time this year, and more often than not we're sitting here waiting around for a lot of people. I'm not going to pretend to have a perfect solution, but I think something along the lines of this is a start:

1. If it's outside the top 20 and you haven't a)sent a list or b)answered a text your pick is skipped
2. If you cannot pick for an extended period of time either send a list or designate a fellow GM to draft for you
3. If we begin instituting skipping picks, then soup doesn't do the actual draft in the software until it's completed on the board (i only say this b/c i think it'd be easier for him to do, if not then disregard)
4. If your pick is skipped, you're still paying for the original draft slot salary
5. If it's the end of the 2nd round and we have a pile up of skipped picks then you're at the mercy of the league to assign you a player rather than auto because that would fuck up the skipping  
6. The draft is completed 48 hours after it has began and we can assign everyone a time slot for their pick

[MJ]

Hey

[eric]

The problem with the draft is that we have multiple purposes for it that all conflict with each other.
1. Acquire new players.
2. Make trades.
3. Commissioner vacation.
4. Not hold up GMs waiting to pick.
No version of the draft (including the current one) can satisfy all four, so until we agree on which one to sacrifice we're not going to get anywhere.

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The current version fails at (4): as you say, "more often than not we're sitting here waiting around for a lot of people". I think you've over-complicated the solution, though, "list or forfeit" covers that just fine. The problem there is we would sacrifice (3), but that's easy to solve too:

The draft begins no sooner than 24 hours after the playoffs end. (Give people time to make lists, trades, etc.)
The draft is run with hard time limits: 30 minutes or forfeit for the first round, 10 minutes or forfeit for the second. (Don't hold up GMs.)
Nothing in the league happens for 48 hours after the draft ends. (Commissioner vacation.)

This fails at (2) because most people aren't going to stay up all night. I feel this is acceptable and preferable to the current model.

[Bankz]

I've changed my stance on the draft some since it's really the only time gets somewhat of a break.

My only big issues is going 5+ hours during normal business hours to get picks in.

You should return texts or PMs in and give a slight update

[Odin]

draft should be autoed after 3 days. there's no need to make it more complicated than that.

[Druce]

why punish the people who want to make their picks and make them swiftly because of people who take forever to make them?

[Odin]

Sept 29, 2015 13:38:55 GMT -6 Druce said:

why punish the people who want to make their picks and make them swiftly because of people who take forever to make them?

send a list to soup for those picks.

but chances are if the player is there on day 4 he has the ceiling of a role player.

[ANK1990]

How can...the Commissioner...support a draft that makes it legal...for people to...

What I'm trying to say is OASIS RULES!

[eric]

Sept 29, 2015 13:35:43 GMT -6 Odin said:

draft should be autoed after 3 days. there's no need to make it more complicated than that.

It's not the overall length of time that's the problem, it's that 28 guys have to wait around an unspecified period for 1 guy to pick. If you know your pick needs to be in in 30-60 minutes, it's a lot easier and less annoying to plan for that then having to wait between 8 minutes and 24 hours.

And if we want to give soup a vacation, give him a real vacation, not "hey soup help run the draft and do you have this guy's phone number and can we start autoing yet". Again, everyone would know the specific amount of time and could plan around that. If I had known on Friday that free agency was going to start on Wednesday I could have planned out my time a lot better, now I have to try and cram it in tonight between two other things: more hurry up and wait stuff.

[SugarShaun]

We barely got to the end of the 1st round by 3 days this draft

[Heebs]

I mean - I had one draft pick, like 2.26, in this draft and made the pick within minutes of being on the clock. (h/t bankz for the text)

It is not hard. Had I known I would not be available, I would have made a list and sent it to someone.

I get new folks having a hard time predicting this stuff and doing their best to keep things moving - but experienced GMs holding up the draft is pretty rude imoiyamjmo

[SugarShaun]

I had one pick (then traded for 2 more) and was checking at half and between matches while I played FIFA. It was super easy

[Souper Troopers]

Sept 29, 2015 14:16:56 GMT -6 eric said:

Sept 29, 2015 13:35:43 GMT -6 Odin said:

draft should be autoed after 3 days. there's no need to make it more complicated than that.

It's not the overall length of time that's the problem, it's that 28 guys have to wait around an unspecified period for 1 guy to pick. If you know your pick needs to be in in 30-60 minutes, it's a lot easier and less annoying to plan for that then having to wait between 8 minutes and 24 hours.

And if we want to give soup a vacation, give him a real vacation, not "hey soup help run the draft and do you have this guy's phone number and can we start autoing yet". Again, everyone would know the specific amount of time and could plan around that. If I had known on Friday that free agency was going to start on Wednesday I could have planned out my time a lot better, now I have to try and cram it in tonight between two other things: more hurry up and wait stuff.

in the time it's taken you to write all your thoughts in this thread you could have had your FA sent in already.

[Odin]

1. anything involving forfeits is a lot of additional work for the commish
2. anything involving a clock requires forfeits or someone appointed to make picks for those who let their clock expire
3. soup will never make an aaron harrison, stop trying to find him
4. autoing after x amount of time is the simplest solution and worked for years

[eric]

Sept 29, 2015 14:37:24 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

Sept 29, 2015 14:16:56 GMT -6 eric said:

It's not the overall length of time that's the problem, it's that 28 guys have to wait around an unspecified period for 1 guy to pick. If you know your pick needs to be in in 30-60 minutes, it's a lot easier and less annoying to plan for that then having to wait between 8 minutes and 24 hours.

And if we want to give soup a vacation, give him a real vacation, not "hey soup help run the draft and do you have this guy's phone number and can we start autoing yet". Again, everyone would know the specific amount of time and could plan around that. If I had known on Friday that free agency was going to start on Wednesday I could have planned out my time a lot better, now I have to try and cram it in tonight between two other things: more hurry up and wait stuff.

in the time it's taken you to write all your thoughts in this thread you could have had your FA sent in already.

Encouraging GMs to care less about the league is self-defeating. If I shouldn't bother looking up information on FAs, why should I bother with anything in the league?

Sept 29, 2015 14:46:15 GMT -6 Odin said:

1. anything involving forfeits is a lot of additional work for the commish
2. anything involving a clock requires forfeits or someone appointed to make picks for those who let their clock expire
3. soup will never make an aaron harrison, stop trying to find him
4. autoing after x amount of time is the simplest solution and worked for years

Forfeits are barely any additional work for the commish: add 20 null guys to the draft file (Null 1, Null 2, etc.), have forfeiters pick a null guy in the software, cut him, done. I can write you a macro that'll add 20 null guys in under a minute. Autoing after x days isn't a solution to the problem I'm talking about, and doesn't address the problem I am talking about in any way.

[Odin]

I think you're the only one who thinks that's the problem.

[eric]

In this thread alone...

Sept 29, 2015 9:52:38 GMT -6 Druce said:

we're sitting here waiting around for a lot of people

Sept 29, 2015 11:14:18 GMT -6 Bankz said:

My only big issues is going 5+ hours during normal business hours to get picks in.

You say I'm crazy, I know I'm not the only one.

[Souper Troopers]

I would also like to point out that this is not a commish vacation.

[Souper Troopers]

Sept 29, 2015 11:01:41 GMT -6 eric said:

The problem with the draft is that we have multiple purposes for it that all conflict with each other.
1. Acquire new players.
2. Make trades.
3. Commissioner vacation.
4. Not hold up GMs waiting to pick.
No version of the draft (including the current one) can satisfy all four, so until we agree on which one to sacrifice we're not going to get anywhere.

.

The current version fails at (4): as you say, "more often than not we're sitting here waiting around for a lot of people". I think you've over-complicated the solution, though, "list or forfeit" covers that just fine. The problem there is we would sacrifice (3), but that's easy to solve too:

The draft begins no sooner than 24 hours after the playoffs end. (Give people time to make lists, trades, etc.)
The draft is run with hard time limits: 30 minutes or forfeit for the first round, 10 minutes or forfeit for the second. (Don't hold up GMs.)
Nothing in the league happens for 48 hours after the draft ends. (Commissioner vacation.)

This fails at (2) because most people aren't going to stay up all night. I feel this is acceptable and preferable to the current model.

#4 on your reasons is the least of the concerns.

[eric]

Sept 29, 2015 17:18:32 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

I would also like to point out that this is not a commish vacation.

Even more reason to change to my proposal. Don't you deserve one?

Sept 29, 2015 17:20:08 GMT -6 Souper Troopers said:

#4 on your reasons is the least of the concerns.

Least of your concerns, perhaps.