Are these 3023 Nets as Talented as the Thunder Peak?
Oct 14, 2015 13:43:56 GMT -6
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Post by eric on Oct 14, 2015 13:43:56 GMT -6
Short answer: no.
Long answer: h*ck no.
imo the peak Thunder (so far) are the 3021 version (sorry Frank). 69 wins, tied for the most ever, last achieved in 3012. Difference is that those 3012 Rockets finished two games ahead of the Bulls, the 3021 Thunder finished twelve games ahead of the Nets, plus the Rockets got @dumptime dumped while the Thunder won the title by winning the deciding game by 53 points. When asked after the game why he took eight threes in a game that was already well in hand, Quentin Richardson answered "because there are no fours."
The starters:
vlade 1.01 pts per tsa 14/11/3.7 pts/reb/blk
shareef 1.04 ppt 22/13/4.6
justin 1.20 ppt 18/8/0.4
quentin 1.16 ppt 23/8/2.6:1.0 pts/reb/ast:tov
aaron 1.22 ppt 28/6/11:2.4
Both bigs were elite rebound/defense players and scorers of average efficiency. Every perimeter player was an elite scorer: Justin with elite efficiency, Quentin with good volume and efficiency, Aaron with elite volume and efficiency. Every perimeter player was an elite rebounder. Every player was top-2 at their position except for Justin who was top-5.
The bench: sucks. All stats given per 36 minutes.
karr .96 ppt 15/11/0.6
stokes .96 ppt 10/12/2.0
young 1.06 ppt 14/7/0.3
thabo .97 ppt 11/7/3.4:1.3
templeton only played 11 regular season games
Young and Stokes are okay. Karr and Thabo are brutal. Templeton on his career is an efficient scorer/passer but not a voluminous one. If there's an Achilles' heel it's here. Now let's look at these Nets.
Starters:
tobi 1.11 ppt 26/12/3.8
garnett 1.12 ppt 24/14/2.6
niang 1.08 ppt 19/9/1.8
redd 1.16 ppt 17/7/1.7:1.2
rondo .99 ppt 11/6/10:2.0
The Nets run their bench differently, with essentially two super subs and flotsam:
white 1.06, 17/12/1.5
ainge 1.20, 18/4/7:1.9
Clearly the bench is better. White is a one-dimensional player but Karr is zero-dimensional so that's an easy win. Ainge is an elite scorer and probably an elite passer if he played all his time at PG. Templeton is at best a good player, good + Thabo's suckitude at best breaks even so another easy win. Stokes/Young win over the flotsam. Just as clearly, the starters are so absurdly skewed in the Thunder's favor that the 25% of the game the bench plays just doesn't matter:
Niang this year is a better defender than Justin but worse on offensive efficiency. Call that even.
Tobi is a better scorer and slightly worse defender than Shareef that year. The other way around, and it's even.
Garnett is a MUCH better scorer and moderately worse defender than Vlade. If he keeps it up all year, win for the Nets.
Quentin scores just as efficiently as Redd, scores more, rebounds more, passes more and turns it over less. Win for Thunder.
So it all comes down to Aaron Harrison head to head against Rondo.
Peak Thunder were much more talented than these Nets.
And I wouldn't be at all surprised if this year's Thunder beat these Nets.
Long answer: h*ck no.
imo the peak Thunder (so far) are the 3021 version (sorry Frank). 69 wins, tied for the most ever, last achieved in 3012. Difference is that those 3012 Rockets finished two games ahead of the Bulls, the 3021 Thunder finished twelve games ahead of the Nets, plus the Rockets got @dumptime dumped while the Thunder won the title by winning the deciding game by 53 points. When asked after the game why he took eight threes in a game that was already well in hand, Quentin Richardson answered "because there are no fours."
The starters:
vlade 1.01 pts per tsa 14/11/3.7 pts/reb/blk
shareef 1.04 ppt 22/13/4.6
justin 1.20 ppt 18/8/0.4
quentin 1.16 ppt 23/8/2.6:1.0 pts/reb/ast:tov
aaron 1.22 ppt 28/6/11:2.4
Both bigs were elite rebound/defense players and scorers of average efficiency. Every perimeter player was an elite scorer: Justin with elite efficiency, Quentin with good volume and efficiency, Aaron with elite volume and efficiency. Every perimeter player was an elite rebounder. Every player was top-2 at their position except for Justin who was top-5.
The bench: sucks. All stats given per 36 minutes.
karr .96 ppt 15/11/0.6
stokes .96 ppt 10/12/2.0
young 1.06 ppt 14/7/0.3
thabo .97 ppt 11/7/3.4:1.3
templeton only played 11 regular season games
Young and Stokes are okay. Karr and Thabo are brutal. Templeton on his career is an efficient scorer/passer but not a voluminous one. If there's an Achilles' heel it's here. Now let's look at these Nets.
Starters:
tobi 1.11 ppt 26/12/3.8
garnett 1.12 ppt 24/14/2.6
niang 1.08 ppt 19/9/1.8
redd 1.16 ppt 17/7/1.7:1.2
rondo .99 ppt 11/6/10:2.0
The Nets run their bench differently, with essentially two super subs and flotsam:
white 1.06, 17/12/1.5
ainge 1.20, 18/4/7:1.9
Clearly the bench is better. White is a one-dimensional player but Karr is zero-dimensional so that's an easy win. Ainge is an elite scorer and probably an elite passer if he played all his time at PG. Templeton is at best a good player, good + Thabo's suckitude at best breaks even so another easy win. Stokes/Young win over the flotsam. Just as clearly, the starters are so absurdly skewed in the Thunder's favor that the 25% of the game the bench plays just doesn't matter:
Niang this year is a better defender than Justin but worse on offensive efficiency. Call that even.
Tobi is a better scorer and slightly worse defender than Shareef that year. The other way around, and it's even.
Garnett is a MUCH better scorer and moderately worse defender than Vlade. If he keeps it up all year, win for the Nets.
Quentin scores just as efficiently as Redd, scores more, rebounds more, passes more and turns it over less. Win for Thunder.
So it all comes down to Aaron Harrison head to head against Rondo.
Peak Thunder were much more talented than these Nets.
And I wouldn't be at all surprised if this year's Thunder beat these Nets.
