Post by eric on Oct 20, 2015 18:51:02 GMT -6
h/t ANK1990
All-NBA Players by WS Rank
PG: 2, 3, 8
SG: 2, x, 8 (Robinson would be 9th)
SF: x, x, 3 (Savage would be 1st and Snaps would be 3rd)
PF: 2, x, 5 (Turner would be 3rd)
C_: x, 1, x (Mullens would be 3rd but so would a bunch of other PFs)
Mass hysteria in the rankings this year, mostly from so many players playing out of position but also from a real changing of the guard as the Thunder core drops from "historically astonishing" to merely "elite but not dominant". The Win Shares for the All-NBA first team are (from PG to C) 13.5, 13.1, 14.2, 15.0, 15.5, so from a wide view it's not that bad. Turner has a very deserved beef with Selvy, but I feel like the voters have always hated Turner. The All-NBA 2nd team MVP is always a weird move, made moreso here for two reasons: Isiah was slightly better than Damon at 13.5 to 13.4, Damon had last year's true MVP on his team and so clearly had a better supporting cast... and Mike Conley was clearly better than both. I can understand the software having a team record component for MVP and therefore disqualifying members of both the 3 seed Hawks and 4 seed Heat, but how the h*ck does that beautiful man Quincy McCall get 3rd team over Conley? And how does Selvy get the undeserved bump to 1st team if the Heat's record is such a problem?
I'll tell you how.
Racism.
.
Deserved MVP was the justifiably maligned Kevin Garnett. I stand by everything I said about the guy, 39% from the field and <2 blocks from a center are horrible stats. Clearly he hit the gym and benefited greatly from Heebs's illegal shark antler velvet and of course from leaving the festering hellpit that is Cleveland Ohio. LeBron leaves Cleveland, wins two titles. Comes back to Cleveland, his two best teammates have freak injuries in the playoffs. Coincidence?
As the Thunder core ages away, it deserves repeating how thoroughly they've been screwed out of All-NBA nods, so thoroughly that I don't even have time tonight to count them all up. It's a d*rn shame, and I'd love to see them have a last hurrah run to the Finals and get stomped into paste by the New York Knicks.
point guard
shooting guard
small forward
power forward
center
All-NBA Players by WS Rank
PG: 2, 3, 8
SG: 2, x, 8 (Robinson would be 9th)
SF: x, x, 3 (Savage would be 1st and Snaps would be 3rd)
PF: 2, x, 5 (Turner would be 3rd)
C_: x, 1, x (Mullens would be 3rd but so would a bunch of other PFs)
Mass hysteria in the rankings this year, mostly from so many players playing out of position but also from a real changing of the guard as the Thunder core drops from "historically astonishing" to merely "elite but not dominant". The Win Shares for the All-NBA first team are (from PG to C) 13.5, 13.1, 14.2, 15.0, 15.5, so from a wide view it's not that bad. Turner has a very deserved beef with Selvy, but I feel like the voters have always hated Turner. The All-NBA 2nd team MVP is always a weird move, made moreso here for two reasons: Isiah was slightly better than Damon at 13.5 to 13.4, Damon had last year's true MVP on his team and so clearly had a better supporting cast... and Mike Conley was clearly better than both. I can understand the software having a team record component for MVP and therefore disqualifying members of both the 3 seed Hawks and 4 seed Heat, but how the h*ck does that beautiful man Quincy McCall get 3rd team over Conley? And how does Selvy get the undeserved bump to 1st team if the Heat's record is such a problem?
I'll tell you how.
Racism.
.
Deserved MVP was the justifiably maligned Kevin Garnett. I stand by everything I said about the guy, 39% from the field and <2 blocks from a center are horrible stats. Clearly he hit the gym and benefited greatly from Heebs's illegal shark antler velvet and of course from leaving the festering hellpit that is Cleveland Ohio. LeBron leaves Cleveland, wins two titles. Comes back to Cleveland, his two best teammates have freak injuries in the playoffs. Coincidence?
As the Thunder core ages away, it deserves repeating how thoroughly they've been screwed out of All-NBA nods, so thoroughly that I don't even have time tonight to count them all up. It's a d*rn shame, and I'd love to see them have a last hurrah run to the Finals and get stomped into paste by the New York Knicks.
point guard
14.1 Mike Conley
13.5 Isiah Thomas
13.4 Damon Stoudamire
12.8 Stephen Curry
12.7 Aaron Harrison
12.2 Kyle Lowry
11.3 Dutch Burch
11.1 Quincy McCall
10.2 Ty Lawson
9.4 Frank Johnson
9.3 Scoonie Murray
9.3 Tyus Edney
9.0 Steve Nash
8.6 Rajon Rondo
8.3 Stephon Marbury
8.2 Travis Best
8.2 Darrell Floyd
6.8 Danny Ainge
6.4 Bob Cousy
5.1 Mustafa Shakur
4.8 Joe Silvestri
4.3 Ed Cota
3.9 Sherman Douglas
3.4 Jrue Holiday
3.3 Mike Iuzzolino
3.2 Brandon Jennings
3.0 Terrell Brandon
2.9 Mookie Blaylock
2.8 Delon Wright
2.6 Moochie Norris
2.6 Tim Hardaway
1.9 LaDon Childs
1.9 Dana Barros
1.8 Kenny Anderson
1.6 Kina Grannis
1.6 Irv Bemoras
1.5 Brent Oakley
1.4 Kevin McKenna
1.3 Daniel Gibson
1.2 Slick Leonard
1.1 Greg Anthony
1.0 Eric Snow
1.0 Randy Foye
0.7 George Bush
0.6 Myron Brown
0.3 Si Green
0.3 Bob Hagan
0.3 Ricky Rubio
0.2 Keith Hughes
0.1 Hal Lear
0.1 Emmanuel Mudiay
0.1 Marcus Williams
0.1 Muggsy Bogues
0.1 Rodney Monroe
0.1 Dick Dickey
0.0 Bobby Fisher
0.0 Mo Mahoney
0.0 Jeremy Lin
-0.1 Elliot Perry
-0.2 Trent Wolkowyski
-0.2 Sam Strom
-0.4 Dick Groat
-0.4 Burdette Haldorson
-0.4 Waterbug Grant
-0.4 Nicolas Barlow
-0.6 Walter Devlin
-0.8 Zeke Sinicola
-3.4 Eric Murdock
-4.1 Caleb Samakeshooting guard
14.2 Ronald Savage
13.1 Frank Selvy
13.0 Kristaps Porzingis
11.3 Jimmy Chitwood
10.0 Michael Redd
9.9 George McCloud
9.9 Rodney Carney
9.9 Brandon Roy
9.7 Sean Elliot
9.4 Allen Iverson
9.1 Chase Budinger
8.4 DeMar DeRozan
7.8 Sandor Clegane
7.6 Quentin Richardson
7.2 Clyde Drexler
7.2 Nicklaus Templeton
6.4 Tyreke Evans
6.2 Jerry Stackhouse
6.1 Wesley Matthews
5.9 James Harden
5.8 Gerald Nappy
4.9 LaBradford Smith
4.9 Rolando Blackman
4.7 Gary Bossert
4.1 Thabo Sefolosha
4.1 Marques Haynes
4.0 Albert King
3.9 DJ Strawberry
2.6 Johnny McCarthy
2.6 Kenny Battle
2.3 Juan Keaney
2.2 Will Walls
2.1 Homer Spain
2.1 JJ Redick
1.9 Sergii Gladyr
1.8 Shannon Brown
1.6 Stacey Augmon
1.5 Orlando Woolridge
1.4 Marcus Thornton
1.4 Dick Garmaker
1.3 Steve Smith
1.2 Ian Boyd
1.2 Brent Barry
1.2 John Vanbiesbrouck
1.1 Bob Kessler
1.0 Gene Melchiorre
1.0 Kobe Bryant
0.6 Patrick Douglas
0.5 Vernon Strokes
0.5 Jonny Flynn
0.5 Gerald Henderson
0.3 Bill Sharman
0.2 Emmanuel Maloney
0.2 Marcus Lenard
0.1 Jim Baechtold
0.1 Chris Childs
0.0 Alexis McCloud
0.0 Kareem Blazejowski
0.0 Anthony Jones
-0.1 Pee Wee Kirkland
-0.1 Dick Boushka
-0.1 Joe Wylie
-0.1 Al Ferrari
-0.2 Damian Mihm
-0.4 Lawrence Moten
-0.4 Kevin Brooks
-1.7 Chris Thomassmall forward
14.1 Myles Turner
11.3 Andrew Harrison
10.2 Walter McCarty
9.8 Larry Johnson
9.4 Stanley Johnson
9.2 Georges Niang
9.1 Ray Allen
9.0 Michael Smith
8.9 Paul Arizin
8.6 Mark Aguirre
8.4 Justin Anderson
8.3 Rudy Gay
8.1 Adam Morrison
7.6 George Ackles
7.6 RJ Hunter
7.0 Al Horford
7.0 Larry Nance
6.7 Anthony Avent
6.6 Tex Silverman
6.2 Willie Nauls
5.8 Champ Godbolt
5.8 Charles Bradley
4.6 Broderick Langhi
4.4 Ime Udoka
4.0 Glen Rice
3.6 Desmond Mason
3.4 Jim Paxson
3.3 Andrea Bargnani
3.2 Frank Brickowski
3.0 Paul Millsap
2.9 Brady Alston
2.8 Matthew Lockhart
2.8 Corliss Williamson
2.8 George Yardley
2.6 Johnny Horan
2.5 Ernest Childs
2.4 Sam Young
2.4 Rick Fox
2.1 Phil Lovelette
2.0 Billy Owens
1.7 Ed Conlin
1.7 Al Wood
1.5 Dickie Hemric
1.5 Mateen Thorpe
1.5 Yi Jianlian
1.4 Joey Wright
1.4 Clifford Robinson
1.4 Renaldo Balkman
1.3 Happy Mahfouz
0.9 Boris Nachamkin
0.2 Hassan Adams
0.2 Ed O'Bannon
0.2 Steve Holt
0.2 Danny Green
0.1 Jimmy Oliver
0.1 Jerry Bird
0.1 Kevin Loder
0.1 Ronnie Shavlik
0.0 Devan Downey
0.0 Shawne Williams
0.0 Ronnie Brewer
0.0 Stephan Sura
0.0 Lewis Lloyd
-0.1 Jesse Arnelle
-0.2 Von McDade
-0.3 Roberto Porter
-0.3 Whitey Skood
-0.7 Mateen Drewpower forward
15.5 Kevin Garnett
15.0 DeJuan Blair
13.2 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
11.7 Kevin Durant
11.6 Jon Pierce
11.4 Jermaine O'Neal
10.5 BJ Mullens
9.4 Randy White
8.9 Chris Mihm
8.8 LaMarcus Aldridge
7.9 Bob Pettit
7.8 Buck Williams
7.4 Chet Noe
7.3 Frank Kaminsky
7.2 Bryant Reeves
7.2 Blake Griffin
6.8 Pervis Ellison
6.5 Stromile Swift
6.5 Alton Lister
6.2 Herb Williams
5.6 Kenyon Martin
5.0 Marc Najera
4.7 Mel Hutchins
4.3 Nick Fazekas
4.0 Hassan Whiteside
4.0 Rasheed Wallace
3.8 Pete Holzman
3.7 Josh Smith
3.4 Broderick Williamson
3.3 Tyrus Thomas
3.1 Shawn Kemp
3.0 Ed Head
2.5 Peja Stojakovic
2.4 Hilton Armstrong
2.4 Marc Gasol
2.2 Gary Trent
2.0 Doug Smith
1.8 Pops Mensah-Bonsu
1.7 Bob Hopkins
1.7 Isaac Austin
1.6 Brian Williams
1.6 Troy Barnes
1.4 Antonio McDyess
1.2 Ray Felix
1.1 Chalky Studebaker
1.1 Loren Meyer
1.1 Jeremy Yardley
1.0 Mack Suprunowicz
1.0 Jeff Murray
0.9 Victor Alexander
0.9 Mike Alvarez
0.8 Dale Davis
0.7 Hedo Turkoglu
0.6 Chris Gatling
0.6 Red Karr
0.6 Jason Caffey
0.5 Marcus Fizer
0.4 Sam Williams
0.4 Daniel Orton
0.4 Jordan Hill
0.3 Mark Randall
0.3 Julian Wright
0.2 Taj Gibson
0.2 David Vaughn
0.1 Mark Workman
0.1 Tristan Benjamin
0.0 Josh Boone
0.0 Andrew DeClercq
-0.1 Jim Loscutoff
-0.2 Brent Abdul-Wahad
-0.3 Allen Stepania
-1.7 Noah Wedgecenter
12.6 Tobi Oyedeji
10.6 Vlade Divac
9.6 Greg Oden
8.7 Joe Smith
7.1 Dalibor Bagaric
7.0 Jamaal Magloire
6.8 Dikembe Mutombo
6.4 Clyde Lovelette
6.1 Jason Collier
5.9 Maurice Stokes
5.9 Jahlil Okafor
5.9 Hasheem Thabeet
5.8 Patrick O'Bryant
5.5 Bill Russell
5.4 Theo Ratliff
5.3 Stacey King
5.1 Kenny "Powers" Sears
5.0 Ben Wallace
5.0 Tom Chambers
4.5 Karl-Anthony Towns
4.4 Cliff Alexander
4.3 Kurt Thomas
4.3 Bob Douglas
4.1 Othella Harrington
4.1 Otto Krieghauser
4.0 Stanley Roberts
3.9 Chad Gallagher
3.7 Art Spoelstra
3.7 Gregor Clegane
3.6 Priest Lauderdale
3.4 Mouhamed Sene
3.3 Montrezl Harrell
3.3 Shelden Williams
3.1 Courtney Edney
2.9 Mobius Bryant
2.9 David Robinson
2.8 Adrian Caldwell
2.8 LeRon Ellis
2.8 Marcus Camby
2.1 Jon Brockman
2.0 Rip Gish
1.6 Alvaro Teheran
1.2 Manute Bol
1.2 Ha Seung-Jin
1.1 Dwight Howard
1.0 Petur Gudmundsson
0.8 Daniel Leonard
0.7 Stephon Templeton
0.7 Rich King
0.6 Tom Luisetti
0.6 Ray Tolbert
0.6 Aaron Gray
0.5 Greg Ostertag
0.5 Cedric Simmons
0.4 Lennie Small
0.4 Joshua Spaulding
0.3 Danny Schayes
0.3 Chuck Share
0.3 Zan Tabak
0.3 Constantin Popa
0.1 Cherokee Parks
0.1 George Zidek
0.1 Russ Hanneman
0.1 Hunter Hepbron
0.0 Shaun Vandiver
0.0 Swede Halbrook
0.0 Carl Issel
0.0 Gil Reich III
0.0 Luc Longley
-0.1 Willie Cauley-Stein
-0.2 Pete Chilcutt
-1.2 Larry Foust
