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Post by eric on Aug 29, 2017 10:14:04 GMT -6
preseason and summer league. 1. Omar Little  The scoring will regress due to Outside alone, and it's pretty unlikely a B Inside guy is gonna shoot 53% from the field, but the scoring should still be at worst very good. Great defensive stats. Handling and rebounding need work, and unlike most PG prospects Omar's age and potential give him Little chance to sew up the handles via TC alone. Will be 36 when he comes off his first max and so is a threat to retire. . 2. Avon Barksdale  Similar story here. His predicted Outside regression is smaller but ain't nobody shooting 57% from the field, plus he was a little weaker in summer league. His rebounding and handling are a notch better and of course he's only 21, so he has a higher ceiling than Omar regardless. Whether he's a better prospect overall will be determined when we have a better idea how good he is right now. . 3. Karim Shabazz This year's Dean Cain if White Superman was six inches taller. Put up a comical 17.5 rebounds per 36 in summer league. Not bad. It's a weak looking class so far but I still expect him to finish top five. Karim Shabazz - 1 yr, $1m, 0% . 4. Elton Tyler Now we get into some kookier prospects. E-Tyl played SF in preseason so his rebounding is actually okay, but even taking that into account his shot blocking is poor. Going 100 of 104 from the free throw line is pretty good though. Pretty d@rn good. He'll always be an elite scorer full stop, if he can get some Garnett training camps to shore up that shot blocking he'll be the best big in the league, and then Herb will probably get him in a trade for a third rounder and a washing machine. #veto . 5. Eric Chenowith Chenowith doesn't have the same ceiling but with being around three blocks per 36 gives him a much, much, much higher floor. Reminds me of peak Stephon Templeton and he's only 22. You gotta hand it to Yawn. A lot of people would have stopped drafting bigs after Wynward, Lane, Gooden, Meyer, Olowokandi, but Yawn never gave up. h/t . 6. Byron Mouton  I wouldn't be surprised if none of these guys are on the ladder come day 30. Lord Byron "Prince Luc Richard Mbah a" Mouton was okay scoring in summer league, gives you good rebounds, and didn't completely fall apart in the regular season. It's slim pickings. . 7. Marlo Stanfield  Marlo was literally the best efficiency in summer league and literally the worst for a backcourt player in the preseason. We've got a wide range here, so we'll throw him on for now. . 8. Tyrus Boswell  Was slightly more efficient than Marlo in preseason, but was still almost .1 xpts/tsa below average for a big man, and shoots too much to ignore that. Still, he too was a fantastic scorer in summer league. My bet is a Tristan Thompson type, and there are worse things to be. . 9. Slim Charles Slim's got better efficiency and lower volume than Tyrus. Needs work on blocks and boards but should grow into a solid d/r guy. . 10. Ron Kelly He's got tiny scoring volume and solid rebounding. He's also terrible, because he needs +16 and a miracle just to get his shot blocking to reasonable levels, but like I always say, leg 'em down and smack 'em yack 'em. And you can't teach not shooting. So there's a chance.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Aug 29, 2017 10:16:05 GMT -6
Eric with the ultimate troll job putting Kelly on the ladder.
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Post by TimPig on Aug 29, 2017 10:16:32 GMT -6
The absence of Dean Oliver is offensive.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 29, 2017 10:18:28 GMT -6
BK is gonna be so mad
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Post by eric on Aug 29, 2017 10:19:19 GMT -6
stats
pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.214 1.02 1.53 4.74 25.24 90.54 70.46 1.159 731 Omar Little PG
1.273 1.02 2.25 5.77 20.04 98.10 37.90 1.258 318 Avon Barksdale PG
0.770 4.10 1.50 12.07 3.02 31.27 24.73 0.770 468 Karim Shabazz C
1.091 1.22 0.73 6.32 21.65 104.53 -13.53 1.091 740 Elton Tyler C
1.021 3.20 2.13 11.48 20.10 63.81 5.19 1.021 978 Eric Chenowith C
1.014 0.37 2.00 6.98 16.90 84.18 51.82 1.002 304 Byron Mouton SG
0.962 0.30 1.40 6.25 11.60 97.41 38.59 0.863 363 Marlo Stanfield SG
0.870 3.22 0.71 9.85 11.94 70.95 -1.95 0.870 608 Tyrus Boswell PF
0.977 2.67 2.17 9.63 8.89 98.10 -7.10 0.977 535 Slim Charles C
0.974 0.28 0.89 11.58 4.09 87.96 -31.96 0.974 612 Ron Kelly C
1.038 0.54 2.25 5.37 15.04 96.20 49.80 0.983 174 Albert Mouring SG
0.912 1.23 0.78 9.85 19.08 63.55 5.45 0.912 679 Andy Kowske SF
1.041 0.31 1.42 6.82 11.65 74.00 62.00 1.035 892 Anthony Perry SG
0.827 0.00 2.00 3.60 17.40 67.34 58.66 0.957 96 Bad Santa Brunner PG
1.034 0.11 0.93 6.95 14.24 84.18 51.82 1.016 980 Brindley Wright SF
1.101 1.01 1.00 8.64 14.54 83.53 52.47 1.046 675 Britton Johnson SF
0.900 1.95 2.00 2.92 8.76 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 33 Bryan Odom SG
0.877 1.35 2.67 9.00 16.20 72.84 53.16 0.808 200 Cameron Stevens SF
0.912 1.81 1.00 9.84 14.63 68.49 44.51 0.895 751 Casey Calvary PF
1.731 0.00 1.00 8.73 16.36 110.63 -41.63 1.731 33 Chris Owens PF
0.900 0.94 1.58 10.15 9.80 57.72 33.28 0.915 732 Jabari Roberts PF
1.422 2.16 0.00 14.40 10.80 110.63 #N/A 1.422 20 Jamaal Davis PF
1.043 0.47 3.52 3.66 16.05 86.99 49.01 1.061 946 Jermaine Medley PG
0.869 1.41 0.93 9.48 11.15 73.04 17.96 0.869 815 Keyon Greiner C
1.108 0.00 3.15 5.96 10.01 55.42 90.58 0.954 453 Luke Recker SG
0.800 0.00 0.33 6.00 4.80 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 24 Mark Karcher SG
0.981 0.23 1.29 8.59 17.88 79.58 56.42 1.003 930 Mark Vershaw SF
0.753 0.00 1.00 8.26 10.03 84.18 28.82 0.753 55 Micah Scholl PF
0.900 0.81 1.78 7.30 13.62 64.11 61.89 0.918 622 Myron Random SG
1.210 0.88 1.50 8.78 11.41 31.27 81.73 1.210 62 Reggie Jessie SG
1.129 0.00 4.00 1.53 17.62 110.63 50.37 1.245 28 Rickey Brown PG
0.972 0.72 1.00 6.48 19.44 101.82 44.18 0.901 135 Snoop Pearson SG
0.996 0.47 0.67 7.95 15.90 47.14 8.86 0.996 146 Spencer Starks C
1.006 1.10 2.50 7.10 10.70 75.36 60.64 0.950 1080 Tang Hamilton SF
0.862 0.33 2.00 3.30 6.61 93.00 33.00 0.887 273 Tony Harris PG
0.946 0.21 3.88 5.67 15.06 75.00 38.00 0.957 1152 Travis Spivey PG
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 29, 2017 10:20:39 GMT -6
nvm i guess Weaver got benched during preseason |
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Post by TimPig on Aug 29, 2017 10:21:32 GMT -6
[tr][td class="content"][article] stats
pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.214 1.02 1.53 4.74 25.24 90.54 70.46 1.159 731 Omar Little PG
1.273 1.02 2.25 5.77 20.04 98.10 37.90 1.258 318 Avon Barksdale PG
0.770 4.10 1.50 12.07 3.02 31.27 24.73 0.770 468 Karim Shabazz C
1.091 1.22 0.73 6.32 21.65 104.53 -13.53 1.091 740 Elton Tyler C
1.021 3.20 2.13 11.48 20.10 63.81 5.19 1.021 978 Eric Chenowith C
1.014 0.37 2.00 6.98 16.90 84.18 51.82 1.002 304 Byron Mouton SG
0.962 0.30 1.40 6.25 11.60 97.41 38.59 0.863 363 Marlo Stanfield SG
0.870 3.22 0.71 9.85 11.94 70.95 -1.95 0.870 608 Tyrus Boswell PF
0.977 2.67 2.17 9.63 8.89 98.10 -7.10 0.977 535 Slim Charles C
0.974 0.28 0.89 11.58 4.09 87.96 -31.96 0.974 612 Ron Kelly C
1.038 0.54 2.25 5.37 15.04 96.20 49.80 0.983 174 Albert Mouring SG
0.912 1.23 0.78 9.85 19.08 63.55 5.45 0.912 679 Andy Kowske SF
1.041 0.31 1.42 6.82 11.65 74.00 62.00 1.035 892 Anthony Perry SG
0.827 0.00 2.00 3.60 17.40 67.34 58.66 0.957 96 Bad Santa Brunner PG
1.034 0.11 0.93 6.95 14.24 84.18 51.82 1.016 980 Brindley Wright SF
1.101 1.01 1.00 8.64 14.54 83.53 52.47 1.046 675 Britton Johnson SF
0.900 1.95 2.00 2.92 8.76 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 33 Bryan Odom SG
0.877 1.35 2.67 9.00 16.20 72.84 53.16 0.808 200 Cameron Stevens SF
0.912 1.81 1.00 9.84 14.63 68.49 44.51 0.895 751 Casey Calvary PF
1.731 0.00 1.00 8.73 16.36 110.63 -41.63 1.731 33 Chris Owens PF
0.900 0.94 1.58 10.15 9.80 57.72 33.28 0.915 732 Jabari Roberts PF
1.422 2.16 0.00 14.40 10.80 110.63 #N/A 1.422 20 Jamaal Davis PF
1.043 0.47 3.52 3.66 16.05 86.99 49.01 1.061 946 Jermaine Medley PG
0.869 1.41 0.93 9.48 11.15 73.04 17.96 0.869 815 Keyon Greiner C
1.108 0.00 3.15 5.96 10.01 55.42 90.58 0.954 453 Luke Recker SG
0.800 0.00 0.33 6.00 4.80 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 24 Mark Karcher SG
0.981 0.23 1.29 8.59 17.88 79.58 56.42 1.003 930 Mark Vershaw SF
0.753 0.00 1.00 8.26 10.03 84.18 28.82 0.753 55 Micah Scholl PF
0.900 0.81 1.78 7.30 13.62 64.11 61.89 0.918 622 Myron Random SG
1.210 0.88 1.50 8.78 11.41 31.27 81.73 1.210 62 Reggie Jessie SG
1.129 0.00 4.00 1.53 17.62 110.63 50.37 1.245 28 Rickey Brown PG
0.972 0.72 1.00 6.48 19.44 101.82 44.18 0.901 135 Snoop Pearson SG
0.996 0.47 0.67 7.95 15.90 47.14 8.86 0.996 146 Spencer Starks C
1.006 1.10 2.50 7.10 10.70 75.36 60.64 0.950 1080 Tang Hamilton SF
0.862 0.33 2.00 3.30 6.61 93.00 33.00 0.887 273 Tony Harris PG
0.946 0.21 3.88 5.67 15.06 75.00 38.00 0.957 1152 Travis Spivey PG [/article] [/td] [/tr] [tr] [td class="foot"] [/td][/tr][/quote] The absence of Dean Oliver is offensive. |
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Post by Heebs on Aug 29, 2017 10:24:27 GMT -6
No Archie Miller?
No Weaver?
Can you remove "Summer League" from the criteria if you're not going to use it?
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Post by Heebs on Aug 29, 2017 10:25:03 GMT -6
Still voted a 5.
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Post by eric on Aug 29, 2017 10:30:04 GMT -6
No Archie Miller? No Weaver? Can you remove "Summer League" from the criteria if you're not going to use it? ctrl-f summer league mentioned in five players on the ladder hth |
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Post by Delap on Aug 29, 2017 10:36:58 GMT -6
I guess 1.22 pts/tsa doesn't do much for eric
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Post by Heebs on Aug 29, 2017 10:37:33 GMT -6
Two rookies rivaled the reigning league MVP in WS during summer league and you completely omitted them from the rankings, which supposedly include data from Summer League.
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Aug 29, 2017 10:40:58 GMT -6
Two rookies rivaled the reigning league MVP in WS during summer league and you completely omitted them from the rankings, which supposedly include data from Summer League. He's just trolling in his own way. |
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 29, 2017 10:41:44 GMT -6
Two rookies rivaled the reigning league MVP in WS during summer league and you completely omitted them from the rankings, which supposedly include data from Summer League. 7 game samples against garbage players are not really valuable data sources. I think Eric uses Summer League data to supplement preseason info but won't rank someone without preseason PT unless there's a complete lack of options. |
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Post by Heebs on Aug 29, 2017 10:48:06 GMT -6
Two rookies rivaled the reigning league MVP in WS during summer league and you completely omitted them from the rankings, which supposedly include data from Summer League. 7 game samples against garbage players are not really valuable data sources. I think Eric uses Summer League data to supplement preseason info but won't rank someone without preseason PT unless there's a complete lack of options. Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Aug 29, 2017 10:58:38 GMT -6
7 game samples against garbage players are not really valuable data sources. I think Eric uses Summer League data to supplement preseason info but won't rank someone without preseason PT unless there's a complete lack of options. Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. I mean it just looks worse for Eric. The goal is to try to make the original ladder look as much like the final ladder as possible. It'll be fun when the 1-2 rookies at seasons end weren't even on the initial ladder. |
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Post by Heebs on Aug 29, 2017 10:59:12 GMT -6
Omar will be #1 all season. Book it.
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 29, 2017 11:05:25 GMT -6
7 game samples against garbage players are not really valuable data sources. I think Eric uses Summer League data to supplement preseason info but won't rank someone without preseason PT unless there's a complete lack of options. Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. the streets are paved with the blood of Summer League superstars |
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Post by eric on Aug 29, 2017 13:43:16 GMT -6
7 game samples against garbage players are not really valuable data sources. I think Eric uses Summer League data to supplement preseason info but won't rank someone without preseason PT unless there's a complete lack of options. Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. No. Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. I mean it just looks worse for Eric. The goal is to try to make the original ladder look as much like the final ladder as possible. It'll be fun when the 1-2 rookies at seasons end weren't even on the initial ladder. That's not my goal. |
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Aug 29, 2017 13:44:35 GMT -6
Archie was playing against guys like Sexton, Omar, Avon, and Flea. Hardly chumps. I'm fine not including summer league stars that didn't play in preseason. But then just make the rookie ladder based on preseason and don't factor in summer league. No. I mean it just looks worse for Eric. The goal is to try to make the original ladder look as much like the final ladder as possible. It'll be fun when the 1-2 rookies at seasons end weren't even on the initial ladder. That's not my goal. What is the goal? Ive seen you comment that you use judgement to move guys up or down the ladder based on how you feel about them, it's not just a number based ranking. What makes you move someone up or down other than that you think they are actually more legit? |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 29, 2017 13:53:06 GMT -6
Archie...Archie...ARCHIE
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Post by eric on Aug 29, 2017 14:21:15 GMT -6
What is the goal? Ive seen you comment that you use judgement to move guys up or down the ladder based on how you feel about them, it's not just a number based ranking. What makes you move someone up or down other than that you think they are actually more legit? My goal is to make the most accurate assessment of player prospects based on all the available data. Since there is dramatically more information available later in the season than before it, it makes no sense to want to have the first ladder look like the last. |
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Post by MJ on Aug 29, 2017 19:50:29 GMT -6
OP is a cuck
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Post by eric on Sept 7, 2017 9:33:43 GMT -6
day 60. 1. Omar Little - LR #1 Jesse Epstein 2.0. . 2. Avon Barksdale - LR #2 Aside from Omar there's a pretty thick class of good rookies this year, especially on the perimeter where we have six people putting up above average scoring with good defensive numbers. I'm going with Avon as the top for now because he's a PG and because he had by far the best preseason. His low scoring volume also suggests he can take Inside Scoring camps, which suggests his efficiency should grow more than most. . 3. Slim Charles- LR #9 For once we have a big who's blocking more in the real season, which combined with his perimeter average scoring efficiency makes Slim a very tantalizing prospect. Reasonable growth in blocking and rebounding should put him at elite d/r levels, a Jump Shot camp puts him at plus efficiency even for a perimeter player, and then he'll waste away on a middling team while people complain that every contender looks the same just like Sim Soup and Dirk before him. . 4. Snoop Pearson - LR unranked Another perimeter player. Snoop was really bad before the season so probably won't be up for long. Has an intriguing ast:tov ratio but with C- Handling grade PG eligibility is a pipe dream. . 5. Karim Shabazz- LR #3 Karim is already an elite d/r man. Microscoping scoring volume, great blocks and boards for a rookie. With such bad scoring efficiency the hope is he offers to resign for peanuts every year. . 6. Archie Miller - LR unranked Efficiency is a little lower than the other perimeter people, especially concerning given how high his volume already is, but he's a PG so I bumped him up a couple slots. Love the blocks. Boards are another area of concern, like with Avon. . 7. Britton Johnson - LR unranked After a disastrous summer league Britton gave you a decent preseason and has carried that momentum forward into the real year. As a pure SF he's SG eligible which is probably his long term position, but it also leaves the wing supersub option on the table. 49% from the field for a B- Inside guy seems tough to sustain, we'll see how he does. . 8. Estaban Weaver - LR unranked If we played sixteen games a year this guy would be this year's MVP, but this ain't the NFL, so for now he'll have to settle for this year's Alredick Hughes. . 9. Eric Chenowith- LR #5 Best block and rebound numbers in the class but shoots just a little too much and too inefficiently to be a pure d/r guy, reneging on the promise of preseason like so many bigs before him. Puts his GM in a dangerous spot because investing in his scoring might be enough to get him to league average efficiency for a big, or he might actually be even worse than he looks and it just makes him take even more sub optimal shots. . 10. Myron Random - LR unranked The best d/r package of the perimeter people, but his scoring is even more tenuous than Snoop's. Still, with an estimated 94 Jump Shot and 32 Three Point Shot he has a very high ceiling.
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Post by FectaDEEZ on Sept 7, 2017 9:38:45 GMT -6
Come at the king you best not miss.
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Post by BKay Jewelers on Sept 7, 2017 10:19:34 GMT -6
Getting the #9 guy on the rookie ladder back in a few sims is gonna be huge for me.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Sept 7, 2017 10:31:48 GMT -6
Getting the #9 guy on the rookie ladder back in a few sims is gonna be huge for me. Chenowith to the Pelicans?!?!?! |
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Post by TimPig on Sept 7, 2017 10:36:38 GMT -6
I was expecting Kenny Gregory to crack the top 3-5. Please explain, eric. |
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Post by Delap on Sept 7, 2017 11:06:57 GMT -6
I can't believe eric is disparaging the name of Alredick Hughes.
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Post by eric on Sept 7, 2017 11:54:36 GMT -6
stats
pts/tsa blk/36 ast:tov reb/36 pts/36 JSH 3SH xp/t mp Player
1.108 0.85 1.92 4.44 31.09 98.53 62.47 1.116 1562 Omar Little PG
1.077 0.87 2.88 3.47 15.18 79.66 56.34 1.089 291 Avon Barksdale PG
1.051 3.35 0.82 12.08 13.63 68.31 22.69 1.051 1054 Slim Charles C
1.091 0.48 1.63 6.40 19.21 89.34 56.66 1.086 1252 Snoop Pearson SG
0.853 3.76 0.82 12.00 3.88 54.61 1.39 0.853 1040 Karim Shabazz C
1.065 1.32 2.84 3.22 27.22 86.51 74.49 1.065 1033 Archie Miller PG
1.117 1.00 0.67 8.25 15.75 85.94 50.06 1.085 518 Britton Johnson SF
1.123 0.79 1.90 5.63 26.10 94.76 41.24 1.163 288 Estaban Weaver SG
0.935 4.07 1.10 12.73 16.07 76.33 -7.33 0.935 1449 Eric Chenowith C
1.088 1.55 1.14 7.25 15.54 93.63 32.37 1.067 570 Myron Random SG
0.863 0.00 1.50 8.57 19.71 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 0.863 25 [Just] Wallace PG
0.931 1.86 0.00 6.21 18.62 110.63 -41.63 0.931 35 Andy Kowske SF
0.883 0.00 4.00 4.54 15.03 110.63 15.37 1.001 124 Bad Santa Brunner PG
0.768 0.00 1.29 8.31 10.38 70.95 65.05 0.766 239 Brindley Wright SF
0.831 0.00 0.93 3.94 13.50 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 58 Bryan Odom SG
0.659 0.00 #DIV/0! 0.00 21.60 110.63 25.37 0.659 5 Byron Mouton SG
1.001 0.90 2.14 8.42 13.79 82.62 43.38 0.977 864 Cameron Stevens SF
0.822 0.94 1.00 11.53 16.00 71.88 41.12 0.829 551 Casey Calvary PF
0.878 1.80 0.43 11.52 5.40 57.72 55.28 0.902 240 Chris Burgess PF
0.944 1.51 1.13 11.13 7.28 59.15 9.85 0.944 1074 Chris Owens PF
0.994 1.00 1.29 8.67 12.50 86.64 59.36 1.005 864 David Shelton SF
0.958 0.86 4.00 4.29 24.43 86.21 59.79 0.972 218 Dean Oliver PG
0.922 0.00 4.00 3.69 22.15 110.63 25.37 1.041 47 Edwin Daniels PG
1.035 1.71 0.50 11.05 29.51 99.36 -8.36 1.035 1359 Elton Tyler C
0.841 1.13 0.63 7.50 8.63 60.75 30.25 0.849 384 Jabari Roberts PF
1.031 1.25 1.90 8.32 15.61 77.65 13.35 1.027 744 Kenny Gregory SG
1.000 0.16 1.47 5.92 7.79 86.99 59.01 1.039 970 Luke Recker SG
1.011 0.90 2.00 5.40 14.40 -48.10 194.10 0.936 100 Mark Karcher SG
0.930 0.29 1.42 9.02 19.99 77.18 58.82 0.919 1447 Mark Vershaw SF
1.096 0.21 2.40 8.00 14.32 82.92 53.08 0.993 667 Marlo Stanfield SG
0.400 0.00 1.33 11.56 1.32 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 0.400 109 Ron Kelly C
0.741 0.96 0.78 12.42 7.17 41.62 14.38 0.741 497 Spencer Starks C
1.011 1.04 1.00 9.00 14.88 81.91 54.09 1.031 874 Tang Hamilton SF
0.500 1.71 #DIV/0! 13.71 6.86 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! 21 Terrance Morris SF
1.087 0.26 2.30 4.09 16.34 77.22 48.78 1.029 367 Tony Harris PG
0.931 0.45 2.60 6.79 20.83 59.28 53.72 0.986 588 Travis Spivey PG
0.712 0.20 1.20 4.50 2.05 22.45 46.55 0.722 651 Wyatt Meyer SF
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