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Post by Druce on Aug 25, 2014 7:40:48 GMT -6
I don't really understand why so many people are against tanking. It's been going on for 50 sim seasons. There will always be really good teams and really bad teams, it's not the fault of the league that certain teams make their rosters completely void of talent to the point where it takes them years to rebuild. An unweighted lottery just adds more luck into the league and I'm not sure that necessary.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 25, 2014 7:41:52 GMT -6
People against a reformed lottery system were also probably against the Civil Rights Movement
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Post by IanBoyd on Aug 25, 2014 7:46:24 GMT -6
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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 25, 2014 7:56:51 GMT -6
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Post by RWisoursavior on Aug 25, 2014 8:07:09 GMT -6
I'm fine with whatever is chosen.
Still think the league would benefit if we get rid of the players that make tanking too easy but that hasn't gone over well.
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:13:41 GMT -6
I am against the 13 team unweighted lotto. Think it will have large negative affects on the league. If we are going to base draft pick off your record, I think we need to leave it how it is. I am in favor of removing the incentive to tank altogether, but if we aren't going to do that, I prefer the set up we have now to a 13 team unweighted lottery. Of course the guy that tanks for barkley wants to remove tanking |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:16:25 GMT -6
I still have not seen one good argument that makes me think tanking is a bad thing...nobody is giving up a elite al-star for nothing. ..changing to this unweighted lotto bs just makes the league more top heavy.
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:18:14 GMT -6
if odin thinks this will change people from giving away good players I don't think so. ..it will be more about shedding your cap to try and sign the next big fish in FA.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 8:20:12 GMT -6
I am against the 13 team unweighted lotto. Think it will have large negative affects on the league. If we are going to base draft pick off your record, I think we need to leave it how it is. I am in favor of removing the incentive to tank altogether, but if we aren't going to do that, I prefer the set up we have now to a 13 team unweighted lottery. Of course the guy that tanks for barkley wants to remove tanking This makes no sense. Why wouldn't I compete to the best of my advantage within the current system we have? I'm not arguing that tanking isn't a good idea with the current system, it obviously is. That is why teams do it. That is why I have done it. I want to remove the incentive to lose on purpose. |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:22:18 GMT -6
Why? What is the point? Just BECAUSE you say you want something done also means you have to have an argument why it would be better.
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Post by Druce on Aug 25, 2014 8:23:24 GMT -6
Of course the guy that tanks for barkley wants to remove tanking This makes no sense. Why wouldn't I compete to the best of my advantage within the current system we have? I'm not arguing that tanking isn't a good idea with the current system, it obviously is. That is why teams do it. That is why I have done it. I want to remove the incentive to lose on purpose.Why? What makes relying on luck to get a good pick any better than constructing a team to rebuild and then doing so? |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:23:51 GMT -6
Your point is retarded people on the NBA now do it...i don't see why you think losing a big part of our league is a good thing
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 8:26:02 GMT -6
This makes no sense. Why wouldn't I compete to the best of my advantage within the current system we have? I'm not arguing that tanking isn't a good idea with the current system, it obviously is. That is why teams do it. That is why I have done it. I want to remove the incentive to lose on purpose.Why? What makes relying on luck to get a good pick any better than constructing a team to rebuild and then doing so? I'm not in favor of the 29 team unweighted lotto so I wouldn't have anyone relying on luck. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 8:26:37 GMT -6
Your point is retarded people on the NBA now do it... i don't see why you think losing a big part of our league is a good thingWhere did I say this? Nice straw man argument. |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:28:11 GMT -6
Your point is retarded people on the NBA now do it... i don't see why you think losing a big part of our league is a good thingWhere did I say this? Nice straw man argument. My "straw man " argument Is better than your..i think we should do this because idk why argument. |
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 8:29:05 GMT -6
Where did I say this? Nice straw man argument. My "straw man " argument Is better than your..i think we should do this because idk why argument. Yes, that is my argument. Glad to see you were able to absorb it. |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 8:35:18 GMT -6
I've absorbed all the competitive bs talk for two days..it's irrelevant with your stupid wheel. Let's just forget about the bottom tier teams and keep the playoff teams wealthy by giving them a chance at a top 10 pick that they can trade for more talent. ..that will make the league more active and competitive.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 25, 2014 9:46:51 GMT -6
Dirt fighting that good fight today.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 25, 2014 9:49:21 GMT -6
I do find it funny that the 4 most vocal for change have convienently landed Barkley, Cousins, Wall, and King in the last few drafts.
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 25, 2014 9:58:33 GMT -6
I traded for the pick that became Boogie and it jumped from 7 to 2, Mr. Scarecrow
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Post by MJ on Aug 25, 2014 9:59:29 GMT -6
It's not like tanking is even a proven method of getting better immediately. Unweighted lotto/unweighted 29 team draft just adds more and more luck. So many people already bitch about software luck so let's just keep piling it all on
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 10:04:14 GMT -6
I don't think many people are in support of a 29 team unweighted lotto. I am not, as MJ said, it is way too much luck and variance brought into the equation. It could screw teams over if they end up with a low 1st 5 years in a row.
That is why I prefer the Wheel as it is fair to everyone and guarantees a top 6 pick for each team every 5 years. If we can't get The Wheel which is my ideal scenario, I support sticking with our current system.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Aug 25, 2014 10:13:48 GMT -6
I traded for the pick that became Boogie and it jumped from 7 to 2, Mr. Scarecrow How does that change anything? Plus you're tanking this season. |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 10:16:01 GMT -6
I traded for the pick that became Boogie and it jumped from 7 to 2, Mr. Scarecrow The funny thing is this year's 7 odds is trying to win...but we need more incentive to win dam it!! |
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Post by [Account Deleted] on Aug 25, 2014 10:26:50 GMT -6
It's Devine so that's a flimsy argument and you know it
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Post by Druce on Aug 25, 2014 10:47:32 GMT -6
Devine's pick has 6th odds, Blazers is 7th
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Post by 20s Navidad on Aug 25, 2014 10:49:50 GMT -6
Devine's pick has 6th odds, Blazers is 7th Favors and the 6th pick for Billy Knight  |
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Post by Druce on Aug 25, 2014 10:52:11 GMT -6
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Post by Lazy Pete on Aug 25, 2014 10:52:54 GMT -6
Devine's pick has 6th odds, Blazers is 7th Favors and the 6th pick for Billy Knight Devine also traded Blazers pick to Dirt for 1 year of Wicks and Bennett  |
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Post by Mad King on Aug 25, 2014 11:04:03 GMT -6
Changing to the wheel none of these trades would happen...these trades are what keeps people active imo
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