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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 10:28:11 GMT -6
Remember that next time you want to lecture me about the software. I'm lecturing you on making bad assumptions and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. |
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 10:33:18 GMT -6
Remember that next time you want to lecture me about the software. I'm lecturing you on making bad assumptions and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. LOL. I gave you evidence of exactly why I chose the stats I chose, and you double down and make another pejorative conclusory statement about me? Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 20, 2015 10:34:55 GMT -6
I dont think you know what you are talking about Which is not shocking looking at your drafting Huh? You think a rookie PG with C+ handling grades, came into the league with a greater than 80 handling? Law, who had a B handling, didn't have an 80 handles. you can have 100 handling on a D+ displayed handles grade you can have 5 handling on a A- displayed handles grade |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 10:37:06 GMT -6
I'm lecturing you on making bad assumptions and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. LOL. Â I gave you evidence of exactly why I chose the stats I chose, and you double down and make another pejorative conclusory statement about me? Â Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Just because those are the stats you chose doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being right. |
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 10:37:06 GMT -6
Huh? You think a rookie PG with C+ handling grades, came into the league with a greater than 80 handling? Law, who had a B handling, didn't have an 80 handles. you can have 100 handling on a D+ displayed handles grade you can have 5 handling on a A- displayed handles grade I get that - I'd bet a lot of dump bucks that Harrison's handling attribute is 80 or less. |
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 10:39:09 GMT -6
LOL. I gave you evidence of exactly why I chose the stats I chose, and you double down and make another pejorative conclusory statement about me? Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Just because those are the stats you chose doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being right. Let's try this a different way. Why don't you educate me on what you think Harrison's scoring grades are, and we can play with the software to see what the lower thresholds of his other attributes would be to still give him those scoring grades? |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 20, 2015 10:39:15 GMT -6
you can have 100 handling on a D+ displayed handles grade you can have 5 handling on a A- displayed handles grade I get that - I'd bet a lot of dump bucks that Harrison's handling attribute is 80 or less. he's a guard that doesn't have TO trouble, there's a much better chance that his handles are over 80 than it is under. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 10:40:46 GMT -6
I get that - I'd bet a lot of dump bucks that Harrison's handling attribute is 80 or less. Â he's a guard that doesn't have TO trouble, there's a much better chance that his handles are over 80 than it is under. Agreed |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 10:42:01 GMT -6
Just because those are the stats you chose doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being right. Let's try this a different way. Why don't you educate me on what you think Harrison's scoring grades are, and we can play with the software to see what the lower thresholds of his other attributes would be to still give him those scoring grades? Theres no way to guess because you don't know his strength or jumping. |
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 10:42:45 GMT -6
I get that - I'd bet a lot of dump bucks that Harrison's handling attribute is 80 or less. he's a guard that doesn't have TO trouble, there's a much better chance that his handles are over 80 than it is under. That's the first good point made so far. I concede that his handles are above 80 for the sake of getting back on point. I will amend my example to have soup increase his passing instead of his handles. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 20, 2015 10:46:55 GMT -6
my biggest issue with the current set up is circumventing the 85 attribute limit we have for SC/RCs.
that HAS to go imo.
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 10:47:25 GMT -6
So using passing instead, we'll assume a 55 passing grade for Harrison and the same 91 passing grade for Thompson. So we use the attribute replacements on passing and inside, resulting in 86 attribute points (50+36), plus 15 from jumper. So soup received 101 attribute points for 60k, which averages to 594 dump bucks per point, nearly HALF the next lowest source of attribute increases.
Thanks to soup and Ian for helping make the example more realistic and further illustrating the need to change the way MC works.
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Post by ANK1990 on Feb 20, 2015 10:47:35 GMT -6
The only limit I would add to current camp is that you can cross positions like pg/c I think that's a good rule if we're keeping it. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to dumping the reward altogether after you get to use one on Harrison. |
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Post by Bankz on Feb 20, 2015 10:51:56 GMT -6
my biggest issue with the current set up is circumventing the 85 attribute limit we have for SC/RCs. that HAS to go imo. Ian makes another great point... no reason why this reward should be allowed to bypass a rule we have had in place for years |
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Post by Bankz on Feb 20, 2015 10:53:40 GMT -6
The only limit I would add to current camp is that you can cross positions like pg/c I think that's a good rule if we're keeping it. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to dumping the reward altogether after you get to use one on Harrison.This is fucking stupid. Your either dump the reward before anyone can use it or you tweak it so it works long term. No in between |
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Post by ANK1990 on Feb 20, 2015 11:07:12 GMT -6
I think that's a good rule if we're keeping it. Although, I wouldn't be opposed to dumping the reward altogether after you get to use one on Harrison.This is fucking stupid. Your either dump the reward before anyone can use it or you tweak it so it works long term. No in between I mean, the only reason the debate started was because Soup was about to use it. He'd have a gripe if we just pulled the rug out. Plus, we haven't even seen how it works yet. Soup doing a mentor camp should be a decent trial run. |
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Post by Druce on Feb 20, 2015 11:08:11 GMT -6
Ank bank was pulled as people were trying to use it, precedent has been set.
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Post by ANK1990 on Feb 20, 2015 11:09:43 GMT -6
That was bullshit too.
You're talking about the real Ank Bank, right? Right?
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Post by Bankz on Feb 20, 2015 11:12:30 GMT -6
This is fucking stupid. Your either dump the reward before anyone can use it or you tweak it so it works long term. No in between I mean, the only reason the debate started was because Soup was about to use it. He'd have a gripe if we just pulled the rug out. Plus, we haven't even seen how it works yet. Soup doing a mentor camp should be a decent trial run. I don't give a shit if he gets upset. I was pissed when the Ank Bank was removed and Soup led the charge. At the end of the day it was the right move for the league. So if the league feels like killing this reward is right fuck his feelings on the subject. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 11:13:44 GMT -6
I mean, the only reason the debate started was because Soup was about to use it. He'd have a gripe if we just pulled the rug out. Plus, we haven't even seen how it works yet. Soup doing a mentor camp should be a decent trial run. I don't give a shit if he gets upset. I was pissed when the Ank Bank was removed and Soup led the charge. At the end of the day it was the right move for the league. So if the league feels like killing this reward is right fuck his feelings on the subject. lol i had nothing to do with the ank bank being removed. i dont even know what that is. typical bankz |
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Post by Bankz on Feb 20, 2015 11:19:26 GMT -6
I don't give a shit if he gets upset. I was pissed when the Ank Bank was removed and Soup led the charge. At the end of the day it was the right move for the league. So if the league feels like killing this reward is right fuck his feelings on the subject. lol i had nothing to do with the ank bank being removed. i dont even know what that is. typical bankz huh? you were in shout... noticed it being cashed... Sent a text to Odin and 10 minutes later announced per Odin it was being removed. You can't be this fucking stupid to think anyone who was around that day didn't know you played a role in having it removed. Anyways my point still stands... The reward should either be removed without anyone being able to use it or tweaked so it last the length of the league. Since its clear a few people have issues with the current reward as is.. |
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 20, 2015 11:26:29 GMT -6
My final 2 proposals:
Either disqualify the 2nd rounder from being able to use SC/RCs
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Still apply the 85 attribute cap on the mentored attributes.
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Post by 20s Navidad on Feb 20, 2015 11:41:42 GMT -6
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Post by Mad King on Feb 20, 2015 11:49:39 GMT -6
Looking at a name and thinking he has so and so from looking at his irl stats is hilarious
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -6
Looking at a name and thinking he has so and so from looking at his irl stats is hilarious FWIW, we discussed this in shout and determined the most I could have possibly been off, assuming the bare minimum for STR and jumping, was 10 in each inside and jumper. More likely, I was much closer to accurate, which is not surprising since I used the software to determine what I thought his inside and jumper attributes were. |
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Post by dilworth on Feb 20, 2015 12:10:03 GMT -6
Team install the 85 cap. The only way this becomes dangerous is using an elite veteran guard to boost a PF or C imo.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 12:19:16 GMT -6
Team install the 85 cap. The only way this becomes dangerous is using an elite veteran guard to boost a PF or C imo. yeah i think limiting it to positional groups should be a rule. As long as that's in place, i dont think it will get too out of control. |
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Post by Heebs on Feb 20, 2015 12:28:24 GMT -6
I still think my initial proposal is the preferred method, but if we are going to stick with the 2 replacements and 1 average method, I think it'd be good if we limit to positional groups, limit gains to 85, and include some reduction in the potential penalty IF the camp results in less than X points, similar to my initial proposal.
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Post by Souper Troopers on Feb 20, 2015 12:29:31 GMT -6
too many limits
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Post by IanBoyd on Feb 20, 2015 12:35:04 GMT -6
what if we limit the amount of limits? |
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