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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 11:32:30 GMT -6
on the BG role, if he thought he had a chance to be hit by the mob, could he put the protection on himself and if mafia hits him, he takes out a mafia member with his death? No, you can't protect yourself. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 11:34:03 GMT -6
Delap and JHB were tied with GBG. They voted out of self preservation. Delap because he was the BG, and JHB because he wanted to deceive us. Delap got lucky.
We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. Your continuing to point to it as good gameplay speaks volumes.
Also, "knowing" GBG was mafia because he did an rng vote is right up there with "Heebs is mafia because 20s spooked him". It's not based on reason. GBG has been not mafia and voted rng. I'm fine saying you're voting for GBG day 1 because he uses rng. But saying it's a mafia tell is wrong.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 11:38:42 GMT -6
Also, delap maybe not so heavy handed next time on the BG role. Asking everyone how to do your job was a bit obvious I had this same issue. Not being a power role before and not really playing mafia before when I was a cop I had no clue when it was a safe time to come forward. So I asked questions. Problem is when asking questions you are either accused of being Mafia or give away your power role. Its tough spot for me personally with lack of experience. Not sure if Delap also had that issue. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 11:41:43 GMT -6
Going RNG does nothing to build the case you are a civilian. For that reason alone I feel like going that route should put you at the top of the chopping block. What it does do, when you're a civ, is put votes on people who may or may not have had votes before to see how they react to potentially being killed. Getting personal and voting for the same person every day 1 or telling people you're voting for them because you think they are a shitty player only creates enemies and gives other people an excuse to try to kill you. I don't think you should vote out people based on rivalry either. But people do tend to do that especially the early games involving BK/Odin. With that said making a vote and explaining a reason is still better info to go off vs well the cpu decided. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on Jul 19, 2017 11:49:12 GMT -6
We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. When did this happen? |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 11:57:50 GMT -6
Delap and JHB were tied with GBG. They voted out of self preservation. Delap because he was the BG, and JHB because he wanted to deceive us. Delap got lucky. We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. Your continuing to point to it as good gameplay speaks volumes. Also, "knowing" GBG was mafia because he did an rng vote is right up there with "Heebs is mafia because 20s spooked him". It's not based on reason. GBG has been not mafia and voted rng. I'm fine saying you're voting for GBG day 1 because he uses rng. But saying it's a mafia tell is wrong. Every person who voted went for GBG. Like I said the goal was to get more info... we did. I wasn't part of game 4. I have no clue who made the case for it being good or bad. If someone other than the shittiest mafia player in the game wants to dive into why its bad i'll listen. But I think in this case what I did accomplished the goal I had in mind. When did I say voting RNG was a mafia tell? I said that voting RNG does nothing to establish yourself as a civilian. And for that reason alone those who vote RNG should be at the top of the block. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 11:58:26 GMT -6
We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. When did this happen? Heebs getting caught in another lie... shocking |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:00:39 GMT -6
We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. When did this happen? When I forced the tie. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:01:04 GMT -6
Heebs getting caught in another lie... shocking He's pointing out that I was the one that forced the tie. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:09:42 GMT -6
Every person who voted went for GBG. Like I said the goal was to get more info... we did. What info did we get? Delap and JHB didn't want to die? Are you patting yourself on the back for this? Really? What if, as the odds were, GBG was a civilian. Day 2 we kill Delap for killing a civilian. Good job at gathering that intel! We got lucky we had two mafia. We got even more lucky Pete saw through JHB's attempt to use the situation you created to give himself cover. Pete is a great player and you should thank your lucky stars he bailed you out of that situation. When did I say voting RNG was a mafia tell? I said that voting RNG does nothing to establish yourself as a civilian. And for that reason alone those who vote RNG should be at the top of the block. Why did you think GBG was mafia day 1? Oh. Wait. I know because you already told us! I had a good feeling GBG was mafia at that point because of his RNG bullshit. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:10:18 GMT -6
Heebs getting caught in another lie... shocking He's pointing out that I was the one that forced the tie. I'll let Soup explain what he was pointing out before I trust the words of a confirmed liar |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 12:11:17 GMT -6
Delap and JHB were tied with GBG. They voted out of self preservation. Delap because he was the BG, and JHB because he wanted to deceive us. Delap got lucky. We litigated the three-way tie back in like game 4 and determined it was not as useful as putting the pressure on a specific person. Your continuing to point to it as good gameplay speaks volumes. Also, "knowing" GBG was mafia because he did an rng vote is right up there with "Heebs is mafia because 20s spooked him". It's not based on reason. GBG has been not mafia and voted rng. I'm fine saying you're voting for GBG day 1 because he uses rng. But saying it's a mafia tell is wrong. Every person who voted went for GBG. Like I said the goal was to get more info... we did. I wasn't part of game 4. I have no clue who made the case for it being good or bad. If someone other than the shittiest mafia player in the game wants to dive into why its bad i'll listen. But I think in this case what I did accomplished the goal I had in mind. When did I say voting RNG was a mafia tell? I said that voting RNG does nothing to establish yourself as a civilian. And for that reason alone those who vote RNG should be at the top of the block. I guess I should just vote for Soup to start every game to establish that I'm a civilian.  |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 12:14:53 GMT -6
In retrospect, I should have tried to win the OT with a vote for Delap. It would have pointed to me as mafia, but I was dying anyways. Then we could have used the silencer perk on night one before I was killed off on day 2.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:16:39 GMT -6
Every person who voted went for GBG. Like I said the goal was to get more info... we did. What info did we get? Delap and JHB didn't want to die? Are you patting yourself on the back for this? Really? What if, as the odds were, GBG was a civilian. Day 2 we kill Delap for killing a civilian. Good job at gathering that intel! We got lucky we had two mafia. We got even more lucky Pete saw through JHB's attempt to use the situation you created to give himself cover. Pete is a great player and you should thank your lucky stars he bailed you out of that situation. When did I say voting RNG was a mafia tell? I said that voting RNG does nothing to establish yourself as a civilian. And for that reason alone those who vote RNG should be at the top of the block. Why did you think GBG was mafia day 1? Oh. Wait. I know because you already told us! I had a good feeling GBG was mafia at that point because of his RNG bullshit. Delap shared info before OT. Odin who had no skin in the game at that point switched his vote. Obviously I couldn't continue on because I was killed that night. But info was provided because of the three way tie. I'm not going to address your stupid hypothetical because news flash I was correct on my assumptions and you can't admit to it. Yes I had a good feeling he was Mafia because he voted RNG and his responses/defense for why he did so put him in a hot zone with not only me but 6 of the 13 players actually voted him off. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:19:34 GMT -6
I see you're pot committed to stupid.
So be it.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:20:45 GMT -6
Every person who voted went for GBG. Like I said the goal was to get more info... we did. I wasn't part of game 4. I have no clue who made the case for it being good or bad. If someone other than the shittiest mafia player in the game wants to dive into why its bad i'll listen. But I think in this case what I did accomplished the goal I had in mind. When did I say voting RNG was a mafia tell? I said that voting RNG does nothing to establish yourself as a civilian. And for that reason alone those who vote RNG should be at the top of the block. I guess I should just vote for Soup to start every game to establish that I'm a civilian. I don't vote for soup every round 1. In fact Soup being my final vote in day 1 has happened once in five games. I understand why some want to go with RNG. I don't agree with it. I'm not trying to convince you to change. I'm just pointing out my way of thinking and if I see it happening moving forward I will vote those people out. As I will also vote people out if they are purely voting on someone they don't like. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on Jul 19, 2017 12:24:43 GMT -6
bringing personal shit into mafia is a quick way to fuck shit up for the town. You have to treat each game almost as if it was in a vacuum while remembering but not relying on how people have acted in mafia games of the past.
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 12:26:30 GMT -6
I guess I should just vote for Soup to start every game to establish that I'm a civilian. I don't vote for soup every round 1. In fact Soup being my final vote in day 1 has happened once in five games. I understand why some want to go with RNG. I don't agree with it. I'm not trying to convince you to change. I'm just pointing out my way of thinking and if I see it happening moving forward I will vote those people out. As I will also vote people out if they are purely voting on someone they don't like. You still end up voting for him at one point during day 1 more often than not, or at the very least say you suspect him. And as Heebs is trying to explain, knowing or suspecting someone is mafia just because they vote RNG in round 1 is silly. It worked out this time, but long term voting me out strictly because I voted RNG in round 1 is going to be a detriment to the civs, since the odds are in favor of me being a civilian more often than a mafia member. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:26:55 GMT -6
yeah killing two people off that seem to be clear civilians because you want them to be pissed in a PM seems like a really smart way of playing the game.
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:33:58 GMT -6
I don't vote for soup every round 1. In fact Soup being my final vote in day 1 has happened once in five games. I understand why some want to go with RNG. I don't agree with it. I'm not trying to convince you to change. I'm just pointing out my way of thinking and if I see it happening moving forward I will vote those people out. As I will also vote people out if they are purely voting on someone they don't like. You still end up voting for him at one point during day 1 more often than not, or at the very least say you suspect him. And as Heebs is trying to explain, knowing or suspecting someone is mafia just because they vote RNG in round 1 is silly. It worked out this time, but long term voting me out strictly because I voted RNG in round 1 is going to be a detriment to the civs, since the odds are in favor of me being a civilian more often than a mafia member. Most day 1 votes are going to be detrimental to the civs. That's a mathematical fact. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:34:36 GMT -6
yeah killing two people off that seem to be clear civilians because you want them to be pissed in a PM seems like a really smart way of playing the game. When did that happen? |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:34:53 GMT -6
I don't vote for soup every round 1. In fact Soup being my final vote in day 1 has happened once in five games. I understand why some want to go with RNG. I don't agree with it. I'm not trying to convince you to change. I'm just pointing out my way of thinking and if I see it happening moving forward I will vote those people out. As I will also vote people out if they are purely voting on someone they don't like. You still end up voting for him at one point during day 1 more often than not, or at the very least say you suspect him. And as Heebs is trying to explain, knowing or suspecting someone is mafia just because they vote RNG in round 1 is silly. It worked out this time, but long term voting me out strictly because I voted RNG in round 1 is going to be a detriment to the civs, since the odds are in favor of me being a civilian more often than a mafia member. 1) I've mentioned this in the past but I play off of soup a ton in this game... So voting for him/against him is something I find beneficial. At the end of the day the vast majority of my votes go to finding info or pushing conversations. 2) with nothing else to go on...voting for someone playing the game in a fashion you feel hurts the town is imho not a bad way to vote. 3) People can choose to play how they want. BK was obnoxious and got voted out early every game before he chilled out and finally made it deep. Problem in that game the guy posted the PM lol. Odin was playing like a turd and that was held against him. He finally changed and is making it deeper into games. My point is you can choose to continue to RNG, my feeling is people are souring against this and you will continue to be a top target as a result. If you choose to continue down that path is on you. There are plenty of good players losing one isn't going to decide the game. Not when idiots like heebs are playing. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 12:35:06 GMT -6
bringing personal shit into mafia is a quick way to fuck shit up for the town. You have to treat each game almost as if it was in a vacuum while remembering but not relying on how people have acted in mafia games of the past. I agree. Emotions have no place in mafia. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:38:10 GMT -6
The vigilante role is interesting. Its setup to help the town. But when used with bad judgement you could end up losing 3 civilians in one night.
I do like the role and look forward to it being a part of a future game.
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:48:48 GMT -6
bringing personal shit into mafia is a quick way to fuck shit up for the town. You have to treat each game almost as if it was in a vacuum while remembering but not relying on how people have acted in mafia games of the past. I agree. Emotions have no place in mafia. "But god damn does Bankz criticizing my gameplay get under my skin." "I really enjoyed killing Bankz. It was more satisfying than it should have been and I kind of enjoy it more now knowing how pissed he is in the dead civ PM." Heebs everyone... |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 12:52:15 GMT -6
The vigilante role is interesting. Its setup to help the town. But when used with bad judgement you could end up losing 3 civilians in one night. I do like the role and look forward to it being a part of a future game. Yeah, we didn't know all the details, but we figured out that it was Heebs when we were about to be down to a total of 1 mafia member remaining. We were kinda debating whether we should let him live and hopefully kill off some other civs and help us kill the BG before we killed him. Then he explained he couldn't kill someone every round, but JHB had already made his play to point the finger at Heebs, which we hoped in turn would be looked at as an attempt to protect Heebs. Some people definitely were thinking Heebs was still mafia; so we let him stick around. Tim thought we should kill Heebs on our last night because he thought Pete was on his side. My thinking was, Pete was 100% verified civ. Heebs was someone that still had a shred of doubt on him. Leaving Pete would make it a 50/50 shot. Leaving Heebs for the final round gave us more of a 55/45 shot of winning. I was hoping that we could spin the fact that Heebs said he trusted SPL over Tim and Pete had implied that he trusted Tim slightly more than SPL as a reason why SPL would hit Pete during the night period instead of Heebs. |
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 12:53:04 GMT -6
Man look at that detective work...
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Post by Bankz on Jul 19, 2017 13:02:03 GMT -6
The vigilante role is interesting. Its setup to help the town. But when used with bad judgement you could end up losing 3 civilians in one night. I do like the role and look forward to it being a part of a future game. Yeah, we didn't know all the details, but when we figured out that it was Heebs when we were about to be down to a total of 1 mafia member remaining. We were kinda debating whether we should let him live and hopefully kill off some other civs and help us kill the BG before we killed him. Then he explained he couldn't kill someone every round, but JHB had already made his play to point the finger at Heebs, which we hoped in turn would be looked at as an attempt to protect Heebs. Some people definitely were thinking Heebs was still mafia; so we let him stick around. Tim thought we should kill Heebs on our last night because he thought Pete was on his side. My thinking was, Pete was 100% verified civ. Heebs was someone that still had a shred of doubt on him. Leaving Pete would make it a 50/50 shot. Leaving Heebs for the final round gave us more of a 55/45 shot of winning. I was hoping that we could spin the fact that Heebs said he trusted SPL over Tim and Pete had implied that he trusted Tim slightly more than SPL as a reason why SPL would hit Pete during the night period instead of Heebs. I would've went with Tim and killed Heebs. You know as Mafia you got one guy left. You also know as Mafia Heebs for sure can eliminate 2 people from the list of targets (pete and himself) So the odds he hits on a Mafia member are as high as they can be in the game. I think as Mafia you stand a better chance of having Tim talk his way into victory. At the end of the day Heebs lucky with his shot. Had he missed you guys win. Had you killed heebs the game continues. To me I go that route vs rolling the dice. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on Jul 19, 2017 13:10:55 GMT -6
Yeah, we didn't know all the details, but when we figured out that it was Heebs when we were about to be down to a total of 1 mafia member remaining. We were kinda debating whether we should let him live and hopefully kill off some other civs and help us kill the BG before we killed him. Then he explained he couldn't kill someone every round, but JHB had already made his play to point the finger at Heebs, which we hoped in turn would be looked at as an attempt to protect Heebs. Some people definitely were thinking Heebs was still mafia; so we let him stick around. Tim thought we should kill Heebs on our last night because he thought Pete was on his side. My thinking was, Pete was 100% verified civ. Heebs was someone that still had a shred of doubt on him. Leaving Pete would make it a 50/50 shot. Leaving Heebs for the final round gave us more of a 55/45 shot of winning. I was hoping that we could spin the fact that Heebs said he trusted SPL over Tim and Pete had implied that he trusted Tim slightly more than SPL as a reason why SPL would hit Pete during the night period instead of Heebs. I would've went with Tim and killed Heebs. You know as Mafia you got one guy left. You also know as Mafia Heebs for sure can eliminate 2 people from the list of targets (pete and himself) So the odds he hits on a Mafia member are as high as they can be in the game. I think as Mafia you stand a better chance of having Tim talk his way into victory. At the end of the day Heebs lucky with his shot. Had he missed you guys win. Had you killed heebs the game continues. To me I go that route vs rolling the dice. We gave final call to Tim, but I think since JHB and I were right on the vigilante and the BG that he decided to roll with our suggestion. Even so, Pete knew he was innocent, and SPL knew 100% Pete was the cop; so it was at best a 50/50 with Pete. With Heebs, there was at least a slim chance that SPL still suspected Heebs from earlier; so we figured we'd off Pete instead. |
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Post by Heebs on Jul 19, 2017 13:22:23 GMT -6
Man look at that detective work... None of that information would have been available if it weren't for your ingenious plan to vote for the BG and not one of the two mafia that were in a three-way tie you intentionally created. |
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