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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 9:49:59 GMT -6
Technically designing a prospect lets you pick an existing draft prospect's letter grades Ex: Dilworth did it to Darrell Floyd Dirt designed Dutch Burch and make his build Well I knew that And that was the last time we had this outrage |
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Post by Souper Troopers on May 4, 2016 9:50:40 GMT -6
as a commish i have to look out for the betterment of the league. having a top 5 player where his only two FA options will be resign for dirty cheap to his drafted team or leave to go to the same team every time in free agency is not something i can allow. that's not a fair shake to the other 27 GMs.
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 4, 2016 9:51:13 GMT -6
I really do appreciate everyone's comments. I don't mean that, Eric, I appreciate everything you've done for the league, but rigging the system to make the superhuman most likely to end up on your team is the issue, more so than creating the superhuman prospect. I hear you, but I want to insist on one point: I didn't rig the system. The software is what it is. I bought a reward that was available to anyone. If the reward should have cost more because we didn't know just how good it was until I researched it, then let's make it cost more. I'm fine with that being done retroactively, either how I suggested or some other way. I feel like in general games are better designed when we increase costs rather than reduce benefits. Sorry, you didn't rig the system. Change that to you exploited the system to make the superhuman prospect most likely to end up on your team. |
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Post by gbgalla24 on May 4, 2016 9:52:09 GMT -6
I guess that's been covered already
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Post by Heynong Man on May 4, 2016 9:56:19 GMT -6
I blame Heebs
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 9:59:57 GMT -6
the issue isn't that you made a good player eric. You made a cheat code player. The intention of the create a propspect reward was to let gms create fictional players they have wanted in the league that soup wouldn't make on his own. The intention was never to give someone the opportunity to make a player who walks into the league as arguably the best person in TMBSL
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 10:01:17 GMT -6
as a commish i have to look out for the betterment of the league. having a top 5 player where his only two FA options will be resign for dirty cheap to his drafted team or leave to go to the same team every time in free agency is not something i can allow. that's not a fair shake to the other 27 GMs. this... |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 10:01:46 GMT -6
the issue isn't that you made a good player eric. You made a cheat code player. The intention of the create a propspect reward was to let gms create fictional players they have wanted in the league that soup wouldn't make on his own. The intention was never to give someone the opportunity to make a player who walks into the league as arguably the best person in TMBSL In b4 eric says he only did what the software allowed |
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 10:07:21 GMT -6
the issue isn't that you made a good player eric. You made a cheat code player. The intention of the create a propspect reward was to let gms create fictional players they have wanted in the league that soup wouldn't make on his own. The intention was never to give someone the opportunity to make a player who walks into the league as arguably the best person in TMBSL In b4 eric says he only did what the software allowed the software would theoretically allow you to create a prospect that has 100 grades across the board. doesn't mean they should be allowed to be made |
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Post by eric on May 4, 2016 10:29:16 GMT -6
soup has made his decision and while i'm disappointed it is what it is. i'm going to continue to respond to points people make not because i think it's going to change anyone's mind (incl. soup) but because i do care what you think. In b4 eric says he only did what the software allowed the software would theoretically allow you to create a prospect that has 100 grades across the board. doesn't mean they should be allowed to be made we have a limit on that already with the create a prospect grade sets, though. surely we can agree i could have made a much better player with A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A starting grades. one of the things that really excited me about this project was how good a player i could make with the restrictions in place. at this point we'll never know because he's not going to get the camp regimen i had in mind for him, but still, i like to think Jesse Epstein is a work of art. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 10:31:23 GMT -6
soup has made his decision and while i'm disappointed it is what it is. i'm going to continue to respond to points people make not because i think it's going to change anyone's mind (incl. soup) but because i do care what you think. the software would theoretically allow you to create a prospect that has 100 grades across the board. doesn't mean they should be allowed to be made we have a limit on that already with the create a prospect grade sets, though. surely we can agree i could have made a much better player with A+ A+ A+ A+ A+ A starting grades. one of the things that really excited me about this project was how good a player i could make with the restrictions in place. at this point we'll never know because he's not going to get the camp regimen i had in mind for him, but still, i like to think Jesse Epstein is a work of art. nobody disagrees that epstein is a work of art. We all just recognize that your work of art is bad for the league as a whole. |
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Post by Souper Troopers on May 4, 2016 10:48:07 GMT -6
I mean you made a point guard with SF grades.
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Post by Heynong Man on May 4, 2016 12:03:18 GMT -6
I do want to say thanks to Souper Troopers for being so proactive and willing to stop potential issues before the snowball into much larger ones. |
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 12:15:26 GMT -6
yea, soup has handled this extremely well
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Post by Bankz on May 4, 2016 13:19:59 GMT -6
Eric,
I think you have been fantastic for this league. I think the help and work you have provided for the league has been outstanding. I think some people like Odin should never question your morals or intentions when they are dirty as fuck and not trustworthy. You have done nothing to break a rule or become untrustworthy imho. But the way this unfolded by you making a thread basically announcing to the league you created a super prospect and trying to trade for his draft rights makes this situation look bad for you. It reminds me of when Dirt created Dutch. Dirt moved up in the draft to select him and Dutch instantly became one of the better PGs in the league from the start. In that case I personally feel like the anger towards what Dirt had done might of caused Soup to tweak Dutch. And of course out of nowhere Dirt traded Dutch who promptly went from a top PG and on track to become a top 10 elite player in the league to just a good PG. Anyways as Soup mentioned the biggest issue with all of this is not that you broke a rule its that you took advantage of the guidelines to the point others could follow your lead and we have a league ruined because its filled with created super prospects. So I think Soup is correct in his ruling and changes coming from this situation. As he mentioned making a great prospect isn't the crime or issue because we have had them come and go. Its the fact he's limited to only two teams for the duration of his career and that makes it awful for all league members. I wish some members could me more adult about this matter and not call you out as some villain/horrible cheater because I don't belive it to be true. I hope this doesn't change you happiness in the league or your desire to stick in the role you have with our league. I'm at a doctor's office sans wifi and bored to death so I wanted to kill some time and put my :twocents: into the matter. Most will ignore it but I hope you don't.
Love,
Bankz
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Post by Lazy Pete on May 4, 2016 13:25:14 GMT -6
I made it through one sentence before my eyes glazed over
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 13:32:32 GMT -6
Tl;dr
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Post by Bankz on May 4, 2016 13:32:36 GMT -6
I made it through one sentence before my eyes glazed over Well that is ok. It wasn't addressed to you anyways BRO |
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Post by Bankz on May 4, 2016 13:33:01 GMT -6
but you liked it?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 13:34:59 GMT -6
but you liked it? I like almost anything |
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Post by Lazy Pete on May 4, 2016 13:38:57 GMT -6
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 14:00:27 GMT -6
I read it bankz
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Post by SPL on May 4, 2016 14:05:56 GMT -6
Don't want to beat a dead horse, appreciate soup stepping in. I also appreciate how upfront Eric has been with all of this, this could have been handled in a different way with no one knowing how this would play out.
On another note, I love all of you. Lets get back to the love.
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Post by kn88 on May 4, 2016 14:09:23 GMT -6
i'm riding with you, eric |
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Post by Souper Troopers on May 4, 2016 15:14:58 GMT -6
In that case I personally feel like the anger towards what Dirt had done might of caused Soup to tweak Dutch. And of course out of nowhere Dirt traded Dutch who promptly went from a top PG and on track to become a top 10 elite player in the league to just a good PG. Rookie PreTC  Rookie Post TC  2nd Season  3rd Season  4th Season  Resigned for Max - Traded to Bulls  6th Season  7th Season  8th Season  |
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Post by Souper Troopers on May 4, 2016 15:16:38 GMT -6
Eat a dick Bankz
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Post by Lazy Pete on May 4, 2016 15:30:20 GMT -6
Ol Dutchy Boy didn't have a lot of TC luck
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Post by Citizen Cane on May 4, 2016 15:41:39 GMT -6
Ol Dutchy Boy didn't have a lot of TC luck Was all downhill after that 2nd tc |
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Post by Bruns on May 4, 2016 15:43:18 GMT -6
Looks like I can partly blame ol' Dutchy for that core failing
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Post by 20s Navidad on May 4, 2016 15:50:42 GMT -6
I was under the impression that after dirt created Dutch, we weren't going to allow anyone to actually determine the attributes of a prospect. There had been confusion as to whether "Design an existing draft prospect" meant choose the starting grades for a non-created player or determine the attributes for a player in the draft.
When people realized dirt knew and got to choose all of Dutch's underlying attributes, it caused a ruckus and I thought the end result was that reward was going away (or being shifted to creating the grade set and profile for an existing prospect).
In that case, no one else could have done what Eric did with Epstein as he is the only one who has the ability to control what a prospect's attributes are.
If I am wrong and the design an existing prospect means you get to choose his attributes, then I think that reward should be much more expensive.
Also want to say soup handled this brilliantly, fantastic commish work.
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